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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What You Need to Know First:</p> This post is PG-13. It is not explicit, but the topic at hand does deal with human sexuality and some of the books are likely to be fairly explicit in their consideration of this topic.<br /> I named this post &#8220;Dancing in the Fire&#8221; due to the explosive nature [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>What You Need to Know First:</strong></p>
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<li><strong>This post is PG-13.</strong> It is not explicit, but the topic at hand does deal with human sexuality and some of the books are likely to be fairly explicit in their consideration of this topic.<br />
<strong></strong></li>
<li>I named this post &#8220;Dancing in the Fire&#8221; due to the explosive nature of this discussion. Some will call me a bigot and intolerant for broaching the topic while others will suggest that any attempt to enter into the discussion is a compromise of Scripture.</li>
<li>I build reading lists &#8211; it is what I do &#8211; on varied topics. This is my attempt to build a reading list on the topic of homosexuality, its nature, and morality as defined within the Scriptures, Christian tradition, and a historical framework.</li>
<li>There is significant work yet to do on the subject. This is a reading list, not a read list. My annotations are brief notes mainly to myself, *&#8217;s interest books which I thought looked particularly interesting to my interests (I am particularly interested in hermeneutic arguments and historical relationships). *&#8217;s are not endorsements of the books &#8211; in fact, I may even remove some volumes at a later time if I find their content to be unnecessarily explicit, hateful, or otherwise useless. I still have another 30-40 volumes bookmarked to add to this list.</li>
<li>The titles below have been culled from approximately 1,163 titles listed on Amazon that return when the query &#8220;homosexual christian&#8221; is entered in their books division (this search was performed on 1/21/12). I also performed briefer searches on IVP Books and Christian Book Distributors (CBD).</li>
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<p><strong>A Challenge to the Reader:</strong></p>
<p>When I undertake a controversial subject, especially one regarding a struggle I do not personally experience, I try to keep these verses in mind:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother&#8217;s eye.&#8221; (Matt. 7:5, NIV) &#8211; I take this to mean that I must do a self-evaluation before attempting an other evaluation. I need to be cognizant of my own weaknesses before criticizing others.</li>
<li>&#8220;But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.&#8221; (Matt. 5:44, NIV) &#8211; I take this to mean that I am to love those who hate and injure me&#8230;and in most cases we aren&#8217;t dealing with people who hate us or purposely injure us&#8230;shouldn&#8217;t we treat them as nicely as our enemies?</li>
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<p><strong>The Reading List:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>*Marin, Andrew. <a class="zem_slink" title="Love Is an Orientation: Elevating the Conversation With the Gay Community" href="http://www.amazon.com/Love-Orientation-Elevating-Conversation-Community/dp/0830836268%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Damericancivilw-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0830836268" rel="amazon">Love is An Orientation: Elevating the Conversation with the Gay Community</a>. <a class="zem_slink" title="InterVarsity Press" href="http://www.ivpress.com" rel="homepage">IVP Books</a>, 2009. &#8211; This may be the book to read if one can read only one book. It took numerous awards when it was published, was printed by the respected publisher IVP, and approaches from a personal perspective a Christian interacting with the <a class="zem_slink" title="Gay community" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_community" rel="wikipedia">LGBT community</a>.</li>
<li>*<a class="zem_slink" title="Michael Brown (historian)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Brown_%28historian%29" rel="wikipedia">Brown, Michael</a>. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0615406092/?tag=americacivilw-20">A Queer Thing Happened to America: And What a Long, Strange Trip It&#8217;s Been</a>. Equaltime Books, 2011. &#8211; Dr. Brown is one of those fascinating figures who defies categorization. He is best known as an academic scholar and one of the foremost apologists for Christianity to Jews (himself being Jewish). But he also works on the outer fringes of the charismatic/pentecostal movement having heavily participated in the <a class="zem_slink" title="Brownsville Revival" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownsville_Revival" rel="wikipedia">Brownsville Revival</a>. This book is likely a must-read simply b/c he brings such a unique perspective to much of what he rights on and speaks both with intense charismatic experience as well as intellectual knowledge.<sup>[<a href="#dancing-in-the-fire-christianity-and-homosexuality-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-dancing-in-the-fire-christianity-and-homosexuality-n-1">1</a>]</sup></li>
<li>Paris, Jenell Williams. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830838368/?tag=americacivilw-20">The End of Sexual Identity: Why Sex is Too Important to Define Who We Are</a>. IVP Books, 2011. &#8211; An argument has been being advanced that we should not identify ourselves by our sexual identities and/or establish lines of battle established upon them. Paris apparently agrees and offers an explanation of how this concept applies to Christians.</li>
<li>*Via, Dan O. and Robert A.J. Gagnon. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002SG6HNS/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B002SG6HNS">Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views</a>. Augsburg Fortress, 2003. &#8211; Two biblical scholars on opposing sides of the argument offer arguments from the Old and New Testaments for their position.</li>
<li>*Campbell, W.P. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310321328/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310321328">Turning Controversy into Church Ministry: A Christlike Response to Homosexuality</a>. Zondervan, 2010. &#8211; This looks like a fascinating work, though it may focus more on the practical ministry than theoretical frameworks.</li>
<li>*Jones, Stanton L. and Mark A. Yarhouse. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/083082846X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=083082846X">Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation</a>. IVP Books, 2007. &#8211; This looks like a must-read, as it provides what appears to be a rigorous study of the effectiveness of the ex-gay movement/treatments which have been heavily criticized as ineffective and harmful.</li>
<li>*Nicolosi, Joseph J. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830828990/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830828990">Shame and Attachment Loss: The Practical Work of Reparative Therapy</a>. IVP Academic, 2009. &#8211; Looks at methods of treating from a combination of secular clinical technique and a Judeo-Christian worldview homosexuality.</li>
<li>*Wold, Donald J. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982041314/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0982041314">Out of Order: Homosexuality in the Bible and the Ancient Near East</a>. Cedar Leaf Press, 2009.</li>
<li>*Webb, William J. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830815619/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830815619">Slaves, Women, &amp; Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis</a>. IVP Academic, 2001.</li>
<li>*Thompson, Chad W. <a class="zem_slink" title="Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would: A Fresh Christian Approach" href="http://www.amazon.com/Loving-Homosexuals-Jesus-Would-Christian/dp/1587431211%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Damericancivilw-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1587431211" rel="amazon">Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would</a>. Brazos Press, 2004. &#8211; Written by a Christian who has struggled with homosexual attractions.</li>
<li>*Chambers, Alan. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0736916911/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0736916911">God&#8217;s Grace and the Homosexual Next Door: Reaching the Heart of Gay Men and Women in Your World</a>. Harvest House Publishers, 2006. &#8211; Chambers is the head of the largest ex-gay organization in the United States and a self-designated former homosexual.</li>
<li>*Puterbaugh, Geoff. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0595130577/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0595130577">The Crucifixion of Hyacinth: Jews, Christians, and Homosexuals from Classical Greece to Late Antiquity</a>. Authors Choice Press, 2000. &#8211; This book appears to be self-published, but reviews indicate it is of high quality and of scholarly type with numerous citations. It provides a history of the anciety attitude toward homosexuality and appears to be written by someone who is pro-homosexual in tenor.</li>
<li>*Boswell, John. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226067114/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0226067114">Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century</a>. University of Chicago Press, 2005. &#8211; An extensive and scholarly work considering the historical position of the church towards homosexuality.</li>
<li>Ford, Michael. <a class="zem_slink" title="Wounded Prophet: A Portrait of Henri J.M. Nouwen" href="http://www.amazon.com/Wounded-Prophet-Portrait-Henri-Nouwen/dp/0385493738%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Damericancivilw-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0385493738" rel="amazon">Wounded Prophet: A Portrait of Henri J.M. Nouwen</a>. Image, 2002. &#8211; While not specifically focused on homosexuality, the topic of homosexuality is addressed throughout this biography as Nouwen struggled to respond in a Scriptural manner to homosexuality within his parishioners and students as well as with urges within himself.</li>
<li>*Dallas, Joe and Nancy Heche. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0736925074/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0736925074">The Complete Guide to Understanding Homosexuality: A Biblical and Compassionate Response to Same-Sex Attraction</a>. Harvest House Publishers, 2010.</li>
<li>Cannon, Justin R. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1438249616/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1438249616">The Bible, Christianity, &amp; Homosexuality</a>. CreateSpace, 2008. &#8211; Appears to be self-published. Cannon is the founder of Inclusive Orthodoxy. The book is written from a Christian LGBT perspective.</li>
<li>*Rogers, Jack.<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/066423397X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=066423397X"> Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality: Revised and Expanded Edition: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church</a>. Westminster John Knox, 2009.</li>
<li>Gagnon, Robert A. J. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0687022797/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0687022797">The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics</a>. Abingdon Press, 2002.</li>
<li>Yarhouse, Mark A. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764207318/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0764207318">Homosexuality and the Christian: A Guide for Parents, Pastors, and Friends</a>. Bethany House Publishers, 2010.</li>
<li>Chellew-Hodge, Candace. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470279281/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0470279281">Bulletproof Faith: A Spiritual Survival Guide for Gay and Lesbian Christians.</a> Jossey-Bass, 2008. &#8211; Written for the homosexual community on living as a Christian in a predominantly condemnatory culture.</li>
<li>*Hill, Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310330033/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310330033">Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality</a>. Zondervan, 2010. &#8211; Hill is a celibate gay Christian and writes about his struggles with God and Scripture.</li>
<li>*White, Mel. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0452273811/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0452273811">Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America</a>. Plume, 1995.</li>
<li>Hopko, Thomas. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888212756/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1888212756">Christian Faith and Same Sex Attraction: Eastern Orthodox Reflections</a>. Conciliar Press, 2006.</li>
<li>*Erzen, Tanya. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520245822/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0520245822">Straight to Jesus: Sexual and Christian Conversions in the Ex-Gay Movement</a>. University of California Press, 2006. &#8211; Looks at, over time, the lives of individuals who join the ex-gay movement.</li>
<li>Hamilton, Julie Harren, and Philip J. Henry. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1607916010/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1607916010">Handbook of Therapy for Unwanted Homosexual Attractions</a>. Xulon Press, 2009. &#8211; Written from a Christian perspective, it appears to be self-published but includes recommendations from a number of well-known Christian leaders within the conversation on homosexuality.</li>
<li>Miner, Jeff and John Tyler Connoley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971929602/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0971929602">The Children are Free: Reexamining the Biblical Evidence on Same-Sex Relationships</a>. Found Pearl Press, 2002.</li>
<li>Damian, Peter. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0889201234/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0889201234">Book of Gomorrah: An Eleventh-Century Treatise against Clerical Homosexual Practices</a>. Wilfrid Laurier University Press, 2012. &#8211; Translated from Latin by Pierre J. Payer.</li>
<li>*Sharpe, Keith. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1846945488/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1846945488">The Gay Gospels: Good News for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered People</a>. O Books, 2011.</li>
<li>*De La Torre, Miguel A., ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0827227272/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0827227272">Out of the Shadows, Into the Light: Christianity and Homosexuality</a>. Chalice Press, 2009. &#8211; Includes arguments from various positions represented by Marvin Ellison, Larry Kent Graham, Janis Hahn, Luis Leon, Irene Monroe, James Oraker, Ken Stone, Mona West.</li>
<li>Meyers, David G. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060774614/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0060774614">What God Has Joined Together?: A Christian Case for Gay Marriage</a>. HarperOne, 2005.</li>
<li>Anderson, Cheryl. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195305507/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0195305507">Ancient Laws and Contemporary Controversies: The Need for Inclusive Biblical Interpretation</a>. Oxford University Press, 2009.</li>
<li>Cheng, Patrick S. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596271329/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1596271329">Radical Love: An Introduction to Queer Theology</a>. Seabury Books, 2011.</li>
<li>MacNutt, Francis. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800794095/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0800794095">Can Homosexuality Be Healed?</a> Chosen Books, 2006.</li>
<li>Anderson, Kerby. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0736921184/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0736921184">A Biblical Point of View on Homosexuality</a>. Harvest House Publishers, 2008.</li>
<li>Nissinen, Martti. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080062985X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=080062985X">Homoeroticism in the Biblical World</a>. Augsburg Fortress Publishers, 1998.</li>
<li>Greenberg, Steven. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0299190943/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0299190943">Wrestling with God and Men: Homosexuality in Jewish Tradition</a>. University of Wisconsin Press, 2005.</li>
<li>Boswell, John. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679751645/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0679751645">Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe</a>. Vintage, 1995.</li>
<li>Swan, Talbert W. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971635528/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0971635528">Closing the Closet: Testimonies of Deliverance from Homosexuality</a>. Trumpet in Zion Publishing, 2004.</li>
<li>Peters, Ted. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415942497/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0415942497">Playing God? Genetic Determinism and Human Freedom</a>. Routledge, 2002.</li>
<li>Ellens, J. Harold. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0275987671/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0275987671">Sex in the Bible: A New Consideration</a>. Praeger, 2006.</li>
<li>Bullough, Vern L., ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0815336624/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0815336624">Handbook of Medieval Sexuality</a>. Routledge, 1999. &#8211; This book looks at human sexuality in medieval times from multiple perspectives, not just homosexuality.</li>
<li>Grimsrud, Ted and Mark Thiessen Nation. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0836194306/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0836194306">Reasoning Together: A Conversation on Homosexuality</a>. Herald Pr, 2008.</li>
<li>Wolkomir, Michelle. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081353822X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=081353822X">Be Not Deceived: The Sacred and Sexual Struggles of Gay and Ex-Gay Christian Men</a>. Rutgers University Press, 2006.</li>
<li>Roden, Frederick S. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0333986431/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0333986431">Same Sex Desire in Victorian Religious Culture</a>. Palgrave Macmillan, 2003.</li>
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	<li class="footnote" id="dancing-in-the-fire-christianity-and-homosexuality-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> Charismatics and Pentecostals are sometimes accused of being too based in subjective and experiential Christianity. Brown is fascinating b/c he is not a &#8220;know-nothing&#8221; Christian who revolts against academic pursuit &#8211; but rather someone who has managed to merge the two together. This perhaps places him in a similar vein to Dr. John White (a famed psychiatrist who also was a member of the <a class="zem_slink" title="Association of Vineyard Churches" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Vineyard_Churches" rel="wikipedia">Vineyard Movement</a>), Dr. Jack Deere (originally a professor at the conservative <a class="zem_slink" title="Dallas Theological Seminary" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Theological_Seminary" rel="wikipedia">Dallas Theological Seminary</a> who would join the <a class="zem_slink" title="Third Wave of the Holy Spirit" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Wave_of_the_Holy_Spirit" rel="wikipedia">Third Wave Movement</a>), or Dr. <a class="zem_slink" title="Wayne Grudem" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Grudem" rel="wikipedia">Wayne Grudem</a> (who is widely respected for his works, especially his systematic theology, but is also associated loosely with Third Wave). <a class="note-return" href="#to-dancing-in-the-fire-christianity-and-homosexuality-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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		<title>Review: The Awakened (Book 1).</title>
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<h3><strong>Introduction</strong></h3>
<p>I don&#8217;t read a lot of fiction&#8230;well, let me rephrase that&#8230;I read a lot of fiction but not when compared to the amount of non-fiction. I&#8217;m always looking for a good fiction read to relax with &#8211; and share with my wonderful wife (Charity). When it comes to fiction I&#8217;m fairly picky. While I read widely in my childhood and teen years when it came to fiction I&#8217;ve since significantly refined my tastes.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I find it fairly difficult to find good fiction books, so when I find one I want to share it. It is my humble opinion that every individual should seek to maintain a supply of recreational materials (e.g. books, movies, other venues) which they can utilize whenever the need arises. Recently I found another work (and author) to add to my list.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051BBHGE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=B0051BBHGE">The Awakened</a> is the freshman endeavor by Jason Tesar and is a three-part trilogy. I have only finished the first book (and am currently blazing through the second) &#8211; but I&#8217;ve read enough to know that I love it!</p>
<h3><strong>Synopsis</strong></h3>
<p>I prefer not to know much about the storyline from the books I am about to read. For those who are like me here are a few key themes that may peak your interest: ancient, nephilim, angels, mythology, parallel worlds (maybe?), action, intrigue, ethics. For those who are interested in a real synopsis, here is the description from Jason Tesar&#8217;s page:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;THE HISTORY: Over five thousand years ago, a renegade faction of angels abandoned the spiritual realm and began their inhabitation of earth. Worshiped as gods for their wisdom and power, they corrupted the realm of the physical and forever altered the course of history.<br />
THE PROPHECY: Amidst the chaos of a dying world, a lone voice foretold the awakening of a warrior who would bring an end to this evil perpetrated against all of creation. But with the cataclysmic destruction of earth and rebirth of humanity, the prophecy went unfulfilled and eventually faded from the memory of our kind—until now!<br />
THE AWAKENED: The physical dimension is fractured. What remain now are numerous fragmented worlds moving simultaneously through time, sharing a common history, connected only by a guarded portal. On a parallel earth, in the city of Bastul, Colonel Adair Lorus disappears while investigating the death of an informant, triggering a series of events which will tear his family apart and set in motion the resolution of an ancient struggle.<br />
Kael, sentenced to death after rising up against the cruel leadership of his new step-father, is rescued from prison and trained in the arts of war by a mystical order of clerics. Excelling in every aspect of his training, Kael inwardly struggles to give himself fully to the methods of his new family, or the god they worship.<br />
Maeryn, bitter over the disappearance of her husband and supposed execution of her son, fears for her life at the hands of her newly appointed husband. Finding comfort and purpose in her unborn child, she determines to undermine his authority by reaching out to an underground social movement known as the Resistance.<br />
After being forced from his home, Kael’s former mentor, Saba, uncovers a clue to Adair’s disappearance. Sensing a connection to his own forgotten past, Saba begins an investigation which leads to the discovery of a secret military organization operating within the Orudan Empire.<br />
In book one of his debut series, Jason Tesar delves into the heart of an ancient legend, embarking on an epic saga that will journey from earth’s mythological past to its post-apocalyptic future, blending the genres of fantasy, sci-fi, and military/political suspense.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h3><strong>Review</strong></h3>
<p>Jason Tesar has a great future as an author &#8211; if his works continue to maintain the quality and innovation of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051BBHGE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=B0051BBHGE">The Awakened</a>. The novels offer consistently quality wordmanship, a compelling storyline, intriguing mysteries, and a sweet balance of story progression and parallel threads<sup>[<a href="#review-the-awakened-book-1-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-review-the-awakened-book-1-n-1">1</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Tesar&#8217;s work is likely to appeal to a wide variety of readers. His works should attract fans of <a class="zem_slink" title="C. S. Lewis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis" rel="wikipedia">C.S. Lewis</a>&#8216; <a class="zem_slink" title="The Chronicles of Narnia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia" rel="wikipedia">Chronicles of Narnia</a> and <a class="zem_slink" title="The Space Trilogy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Trilogy" rel="wikipedia">Space Trilogy</a>. They may also attract fans of <a class="zem_slink" title="J. R. R. Tolkien" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien" rel="wikipedia">J.R.R. Tolkien</a>, though the works are not in the strict fantasy realm, being much more along the lines of Lewis&#8217; Space Trilogy. More contemporaneously, I would recommend Tesar&#8217;s works to fans of <a class="zem_slink" title="Douglas Preston" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Preston" rel="wikipedia">Douglas Preston</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Lincoln Child" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Child" rel="wikipedia">Lincoln Child</a>, Michael Crichton, James Rollins, <a class="zem_slink" title="Frank E. Peretti" href="http://www.frankperetti.com/" rel="homepage">Frank Peretti</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Ted Dekker" href="http://www.TedDekker.com/" rel="homepage">Ted Dekker</a>, and Tosca Lee.</p>
<p>If you like cerebral, action-packed page-turners &#8211; Tesar&#8217;s work should immediately hit the top of your reading list. I&#8217;m really excited at the quantity of work Tesar is turning out and optimistic that he will continue to deliver the quality of work he has demonstrated thus far.</p>
<p>Ohh, and did I mention <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&amp;x=0&amp;ref_=nb_sb_noss&amp;y=0&amp;field-keywords=Jason%20Tesar&amp;url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">the books are available for $2.99 for the Amazon Kindle</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051BBHGE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=B0051BBHGE">even better the first book is free</a>!?!</p>
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	<li class="footnote" id="review-the-awakened-book-1-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> Many authors abuse parallel threads to offer &#8216;page-turning&#8217; suspense instead of real suspense. The flipping between threads is done to force the reader to turn the pages, in an endeavor to get back to another thread in the story&#8230;to get to those threads which advance the story. Tesar uses parallel threads but not to create this forced reading experience, but as a means of advancing the story and maintaining a complex and thrilling plot. <a class="note-return" href="#to-review-the-awakened-book-1-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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<h3><strong>Running from <a class="zem_slink" title="Politics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics" rel="wikipedia">Politics</a></strong></h3>
<p>I follow <a class="zem_slink" title="Politics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics" rel="wikipedia">politics</a>, I can discuss politics, but I try to avoid taking a position &#8211; especially publicly &#8211; on politics. As a child of the evangelical right &#8211; including the fundamentalist response to <a class="zem_slink" title="Counterculture of the 1960s" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s" rel="wikipedia">sixties counterculture</a> &#8211; I have seen first-hand the diminishing of the gospel, of love, of faith when politics is mixed with faith.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-1">1</a>]</sup></p>
<h3><strong>Taking a Stand (on a Political(?) Issue)</strong></h3>
<p>In spite of this experience, I feel obliged to take a controversial position in at least one area &#8211; the question of foreign intervention, or isolationism. It is not uncommon in the circles I frequent to hear comments such as, &#8220;America needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; Now, I certainly am not advocating that America needs to be the puritanical big-brother for the rest of the world nor that America should be involved in policing every conflict. Further, I would suggest that while I am an American and this statement applies to an American context I see no reason for it not to apply to any other context: &#8220;Germany needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; &#8220;Nigeria needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; &#8220;China needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; The point is not that a nation or a people group, defined by geography or ethnicity, should oppose a strict policy of isolation and non-intervention &#8211; <strong>but rather that those who are able should reject apathy</strong>.</p>
<p>I remember a comic strip I once saw (and that is frequently mentioned, usually tracking back to <a class="zem_slink" title="Shane Claiborne" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Claiborne" rel="wikipedia">Shane Claiborne</a>) in which two individuals are talking. One says to the other, &#8220;I wish I knew why God allowed all this evil and violence in the world.&#8221; The other replies, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you ask him?&#8221; To which the first replies, &#8220;Because I am afraid He would ask me the same question.&#8221;<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-2" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-2">2</a>]</sup> Point being, so much of the evil we see in the world on a day-by-day basis is something we could choose to stop.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-3" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-3">3</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Tonight I finished watching <a class="zem_slink" title="Uwe Boll" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uwe_Boll" rel="wikipedia">Uwe Boll</a>&#8216;s<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-4" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-4">4</a>]</sup> 2009 film Attack on <a class="zem_slink" title="Darfur" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur" rel="wikipedia">Darfur</a> (R).<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-5" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-5">5</a>]</sup> The film is slow. It spends a lot of time in a village in Darfur building empathy for the inhabitants. This sort of drags on and on as one watches scene after scene of conversations and interactions that might appear on <a class="zem_slink" title="National Geographic Society" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society" rel="wikipedia">National Geographic</a>. Then the movie picks up pace as the village comes under attack, but unlike movies where the combat is an adrenaline rush this is simply a massacre &#8211; and Boll is in no hurry to bring it to a speedy conclusion.</p>
<p>In horror films the length of the gore is played for gross-out effect &#8211; in this film it is played for moral power. Yes, yes, we all know what happens over there (wherever that may be, somewhere else, not here) &#8211; so why do we need to see it? But there is another baby being smashed or impaled. Another woman raped.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-6" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-6">6</a>]</sup> And another. There are old men being plastered with bullets, children lying in bloody heaps, and don&#8217;t forget the agonized screams of those who are forced inside of huts and then burned alive.</p>
<p>The film concludes with a less lengthy, but (still) drawn-out visiting of the aftermath by American survivors&#8230;haunting us with our inaction and impotency. While the film makes us feel helpless in the onslaught, it also offers up &#8220;hope&#8221; in the form of intervention by a few brave souls<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-7" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-7">7</a>]</sup>. Yes, its a Hollywood-esque hope in which The Magnificent Seven hold off armed hordes with a slightly better tinge of realism &#8211; but the point is apt. <strong>It would not require that much to intervene</strong>.</p>
<p>The film is spattered with profanities &#8211; including religious profanities &#8211; but I think God is probably more ticked off at our apathy than the fact that we&#8217;ve heard a few more bad words. It reminds me of another well-known anecdote in which <a class="zem_slink" title="Tony Campolo" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Campolo" rel="wikipedia">Tony Campolo</a> said to a large audience, &#8220;I have three things I&#8217;d like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don&#8217;t give a &#8212;-. What&#8217;s worse is that you&#8217;re more upset with the fact that I said &#8212;- than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.&#8221;<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-8" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-8">8</a>]</sup></p>
<h3><strong><strong>Call to Action</strong></strong></h3>
<p>As I write this I am reminded of a song from <a class="zem_slink" title="John Reuben" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reuben" rel="wikipedia">John Reuben</a>&#8216;s album The Boy and The Cynic entitled Cooperate. The song tells the story of a dude:</p>
<p>&#8220;This dude took pride in his cause everyday / Put on his costume which defined who he was / He said he didn&#8217;t care he liked being unique / Accused the rest of the world of being a bunch of sheep / Lived his life going against the grain / Spent all of his time with those who felt the same / Hit his mid-twenties and still nothing&#8217;s changed / Except his boys who chose to grow with age / Now he&#8217;s looking for friends with the same behavior&#8221;</p>
<p>Reuben replies to the dude:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ignore the truth and neglect your responsibility / Because you can&#8217;t decipher the real world from your hobbies / This whole starving artist shtick you&#8217;ve been running with is wearing thin / &#8230; / Time for you to start cooperating cuz rent ain&#8217;t free / &#8230; / What you want and should expect are two different things / You think the rest of the world likes their suits and ties working nine to five just to get by? / &#8230; / But that don&#8217;t sit well with you&#8217;re anti-authority / Me against the world sub-genre category that you&#8217;ve placed yourself in / Do you honestly think the average man celebrates the system / But they cooperate&#8221;</p>
<p>I can empathize with Reuben&#8217;s frustrations in this song. Too often some of the loudest screechers for reform are those who couldn&#8217;t make a living any other way.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-9" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-9">9</a>]</sup> I don&#8217;t want to be a screecher.</p>
<p>I also know there is plenty of angst in this world &#8211; and most of the time I don&#8217;t need any more guilt thrown on my shoulders &#8211; so I don&#8217;t want to be someone who throws that on others either. I also know that shouting loudest doesn&#8217;t (always) make you the winner.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-10" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-10">10</a>]</sup> Getting everyone in a panic doesn&#8217;t help much &#8211; we temporarily mobilize and then the next big thing occurs and we lose our focus. I find it much more useful to look for small, real, practical ways in which we can make a difference rather than screaming a lot and getting frustrated over our inability to change everything.</p>
<p>So what can we do? The situation in the Sudan has alleviated to a great extent, not that there isn&#8217;t need for ongoing vigilance&#8230;but now and in the future there will be many other crises which will present themselves to us&#8230;how do we respond?</p>
<p>During the peak of the Darfur crisis I bought the t-shirts, wore the t-shirts, talked to people about the crisis, and did some minor advocacy in other manners. Did I do enough? Nope. How will I change that? I&#8217;m not sure. I suppose admitting that I failed, that we failed, and evaluating the current crises might be a good first step. Where are the current humanitarian crises in the world? What is being done about them? How can we find a balance between intervention and isolation?</p>
<h3><strong>Current Response<br />
</strong></h3>
<p>My current endeavor to respond to my own &#8220;call to action&#8221; &#8211; which is ongoing &#8211; is the slow and painful process of bringing life into order&#8230;in ways that can be and may seem entirely unrelated to acting on behalf of others. By this I mean things like: (a) wisely managing my expenditures<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-11" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-11">11</a>]</sup>, (b) managing my health<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-12" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-12">12</a>]</sup>, (c) creating community<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-13" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-13">13</a>]</sup>, and (d) reducing expenditures.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-14" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-14">14</a>]</sup>, and (e) developing my relationship with God<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-15" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-15">15</a>]</sup></p>
<div class="zemanta-pixie" style="margin-top: 10px; height: 15px;"><a class="zemanta-pixie-a" title="Enhanced by Zemanta" href="http://www.zemanta.com/"><img class="zemanta-pixie-img" style="float: right;" src="http://img.zemanta.com/zemified_e.png?x-id=17033a69-20f0-4b23-8568-b8e1e3398d7f" alt="Enhanced by Zemanta" /></a>If we are to be effective, we must manage ourselves. For some of us that is breaking our workaholic patterns, for others it is perhaps putting up our angst costumes and getting a job and being a productive part of society rather than driving others insane.</div>

<ol class="footnotes">
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> Perhaps another time I will discuss this topic more extensively. I recently delivered a series of messages on this topic at <a href="http://www.cccpenndel.org/">Calvary Community Church</a> in Penndel. To briefly sum, I do not necessarily believe Scripture indicates that either political involvement or political absence are wrong but rather that we must begin at a much more basic point (no matter our position) of humility, love, and consideration for those we disagree with. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-2"><strong><sup>[2]</sup></strong> This is my rough, from memory paraphrase. If anyone knows the original source of this illustration and perhaps a digital image of the comic &#8211; I&#8217;d love to know! <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-2">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-3"><strong><sup>[3]</sup></strong> Perhaps another time I&#8217;ll share my thoughts on chaos theory and how I think it may answer the traditional further challenge of natural disasters&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-3">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-4"><strong><sup>[4]</sup></strong> Better known for creating horror movies. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-4">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-5"><strong><sup>[5]</sup></strong> If you have <a class="zem_slink" title="Netflix" href="http://www.netflix.com/" rel="homepage">Netflix</a>, it is currently available to watch instantly. It is also available from <a class="zem_slink" title="Amazon Unbox" href="http://www.amazon.com/unbox" rel="homepage">Amazon Unbox</a> for $2.99. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-5">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-6"><strong><sup>[6]</sup></strong> No depiction of rape can be done in an inoffensive way, but Boll shows great restraint in his rape portrayals. There is no hint of sexual excitement, no innuendo &#8211; just the harsh and brutal reality. There are no exposure of the private parts &#8211; male or female &#8211; in the entire film. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-6">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-7"><strong><sup>[7]</sup></strong> Interestingly enough, some of these brave souls are the souls who ran as cowards earlier in the film, but now those who spoke tough are running and the cowards are the ones left fighting for justice. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-7">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-8"><strong><sup>[8]</sup></strong> I&#8217;m not advocating the use of profanity, I am concerned that we (evangelicals) sometimes get more upset about the presence of profanity or any of a number of hobby-horse issues than the massive suffering which we have a (great amount of) ability to stop or relieve. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-8">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-9"><strong><sup>[9]</sup></strong> Frankie Schaeffer in Crazy for God reflects great disillusionment with the evangelical movement in part b/c of its doom-and-gloom salesmanship by folks he feels couldn&#8217;t do anything but sell angst. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-9">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-10"><strong><sup>[10]</sup></strong> Unfortunately, too often it does, as those with the loudest voices overcome those with reasoned voices. This is certainly a weakness on the part of the loud, but the reasoned must also accept culpability for the failure to stand up and speak truth even when others are being loud, annoying, and forceful. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-10">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-11"><strong><sup>[11]</sup></strong> So that I can free up disposable income for use with a purpose. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-11">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-12"><strong><sup>[12]</sup></strong> My struggles with depression and ocd oftentimes paralyze me. I know my ability to persevere in pursuing a call to action over time is correlated with my health. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-12">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-13"><strong><sup>[13]</sup></strong> Especially within the church, which can be activated for mission. Going alone our ability is limited, together we are greatly strengthened. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-13">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-14"><strong><sup>[14]</sup></strong> Finding areas in which I really don&#8217;t need this or that. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-14">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-15"><strong><sup>[15]</sup></strong> So that I have His heart and do things in His strength. When my ego and selfishness get in the way my good deeds are as dust, evaporating into the air in spite of their momentary appearance of solidity. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-15">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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		<title>Love Wins (Rob Bell) &#8211; Review, Commentary, and Further Study.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: I&#8217;ve started a new site dedication to the discussion/study of hell/justice/love/etc. I&#8217;ll be porting the material on this site to it and extending the materials already posted here. Take a look at <a href="http://www.justiceandlove.com/">http://www.justiceandlove.com/</a>.</p> <p>Overview:</p> <p>In this post I am attempting to accomplish several tasks simultaneously:</p> An introduction to Rob Bell and the current [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> I&#8217;ve started a new site dedication to the  discussion/study of hell/justice/love/etc. I&#8217;ll be porting the material  on this site to it and extending the materials already posted here. Take  a look at <a href="http://www.justiceandlove.com/">http://www.justiceandlove.com/</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Overview:</strong></p>
<p>In this post I am attempting to accomplish several tasks simultaneously:</p>
<ol>
<li>An introduction to Rob Bell and the current firestorm surrounding his latest book Love Wins.</li>
<li>A review/commentary of said book (Love Wins) on its own merits, apart from all the additional materials currently being generated via various interviews Bell is partaking in.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1">1</a>]</sup></li>
<li>A listing of resources for further study upon this topic from orthodox and unorthodox perspectives.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Questions:</strong></p>
<p>By the time I finished writing a summary with a few reference notes and including items for further study I&#8217;m plum tuckered out writing this article. In addition to the four to six hours it took me to read Bell&#8217;s book it has probably taken me another two or three to create this article. As such, I did much less commentary on Bell&#8217;s ideas than I had initially intended&#8230;There are many areas in which I could expand significantly, but instead of pouring more time into this already sprawling article I&#8217;d ask you for the questions that come to your mind &#8211; and I&#8217;ll attempt to answer them as best I can from Bell&#8217;s book or other resources available to me.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>Warning:</strong></p>
<p>I believe that serious thinking about heaven and hell is important for all Christians. I would go so far as to say that while we (evangelicals) maintain a doctrine of hell, we deny it with our lives. I have met very few individuals who truly live in a manner consistent with what they claim to believe.</p>
<p>That said, I would warn those considering broaching this topic that it should not be entered upon lightly. If you are not prepared to engage this topic seriously &#8211; which will include a significant amount of emotional and spiritual turmoil &#8211; it may be best not to approach it at all.</p>
<p>Perhaps the worst we can do is pretend to engage this topic &#8211; really engage it &#8211; and instead simply touch it and run away &#8211; kidding ourselves into the belief that we have really dealt with this topic. There is pain involved in any serious consideration of hell, if you don&#8217;t feel pain in the process &#8211; you aren&#8217;t doing it right. If you don&#8217;t want to puke and cry, you haven&#8217;t hit the heart of hell.</p>
<p><strong>Contents:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Overview</li>
<li>Questions</li>
<li>Warning</li>
<li>Contents</li>
<li>Rob Who?</li>
<li>Review / Commentary
<ul>
<li>Preface</li>
<li>Chapter 1. What About the Flat Tire?</li>
<li>Chapter 2. Here is the New There.</li>
<li>Chapter 3. Hell.</li>
<li>Chapter 4. Does God Get What God Wants?</li>
<li>Chapter 5. Dying to Live.</li>
<li>Chapter 6. There are Rocks Everywhere.</li>
<li>Chapter 7. The Good News is Better Than That.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Further Study
<ul>
<li>Books</li>
<li>Websites</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Rob Who?</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.robbell.com/">Rob Bell</a> is the founding pastor of <a href="http://marshill.org/">Mars Hill Bible Church</a> in Grand Rapids, Michigan with attendance estimated at 8,000-10,000 each Sunday. Bell received his Bachelors from <a href="http://www.wheaton.edu/">Wheaton College</a> and then a Masters in Divinity from <a href="http://www.fuller.edu/">Fuller Seminary</a>. He moved to Grand Rapids and served under <a href="http://www.livingjesusly.com/">Ed Dobson</a> before branching off to found Mars Hill.</p>
<p>Bell first became well-known for his <a href="http://nooma.com/">NOOMA</a> series of videos which utilize his teachings, indie music, and an artistic visual flare to talk about faith and life. Bell went on to author several books including <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310273080/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310273080">Velvet Elvis</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310280672/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310280672">Sex God</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310275024/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310275024">Jesus Wants to Save Christians</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310327040/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310327040">Drops Like Stars</a>, and most recently <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006204964X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=006204964X">Love Wins</a>.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2">2</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Bell has long been a controversial figure on the evangelical (Christian) scene. Lighthouse Trails Publishing argues that <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/robbell.htm">contemplative spirituality and spiritual formation are anti-Scriptural movements and aligns Bell with both of these</a>. You can find a long history of articles questioning Bell&#8217;s orthodoxy over a number of issues at <a href="http://apprising.org/category/rob-bell/page/31/">Apprising Ministries (Ken Silva)</a>.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3">3</a>]</sup> But it was only recently that Bell became the center of a tremendous amount of angst within evangelicalism. This firestorm was set off by <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/02/26/rob-bell-universalist/">Justin Taylor with his post Rob Bell: Universalist?</a> and really spurred on by John Piper&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/JohnPiper">tweet &#8220;Farewell Rob Bell.&#8221;</a> Now, the book has hit the shelves and is being voraciously devoured around the world&#8230;including by yours truly. I began reading the book yesterday evening, read again tonight, and have now completed this small volume<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4">4</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>The Review / Commentary:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take the book chapter by chapter and provide snippets from the book as well as commentary on various points. I&#8217;ll try and pull in various resources as they apply throughout the book as well as providing a more extensive guide for further study at the end of this article.<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p><strong>Preface.</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;I believe that Jesus&#8217; story is first and foremost about the love of God for every single one of us. It is a stunning, beautiful, expansive love, and it is for everybody, everywhere.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>This may seem like one of the most common sense statements one could make about the Christian faith, but Bell is subtly taking on a major viewpoint within Christianity. John Piper is representative of this view. Put simply: God chooses (according to His own mysterious will) whom He will extend grace to volitionally choose Him and receive the gift of salvation. Anyone God chooses will be saved, anyone He does not choose will not be saved. For a exposition of this line of thinking see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601423101/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1601423101">Piper&#8217;s book Desiring God</a> Chapters 1 &amp; 2 <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/dg/id6.htm">&#8220;Happiness&#8221;</a> and <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/dg/id36.htm">&#8220;Conversion&#8221;</a>. These individuals generally agree that   God loves everyone, but insist that God loves some people differently   than others &#8211; thus some are saved from hell while others are damned to   hell. For those who are first encountering this conception one&#8217;s response may be &#8220;Ridiculous!&#8221; but I assure you that this is the serious belief of many of our leading theologians and pastors &#8211; not only contemporaneously but also historically.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5">5</a>]</sup></p>
<p>I agree with Bell on this commitment to the love of God (while at the same time maintaining the complete sovereignty of God), believing that we cannot subjugate an accurate depiction of the love of God for the sake of accurately depicting the sovereignty and justice of God.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6">6</a>]</sup></p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;I&#8217;ve written this book because the kind of faith Jesus invites us into doesn&#8217;t skirt the big questions about topics like God and Jesus and salvation and judgment and heaven and hell, but takes us deep into the heart of them.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Bell asks a lot of the right questions and is certainly right that these questions are appropriate and acceptable to ask &#8211; but he falls short in addressing these questions to the full extent they deserve.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7">7</a>]</sup> Specifically, he fails to provides readers with accurate resources for verifying his deductions and conclusions. Throughout Bell tells us that certain interpretations and meanings are true but fails to provide references to which we can look to verify his interpretations. I understand this is a lay text rather than an academic text &#8211; but adding endnotes would not have inhibited the readability of the text and would certainly have enhanced its usefulness.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 1. What About the Flat Tire?</strong></p>
<p>Bell is a master storyteller. It is obvious that he has studied the art &#8211; and studied the teachings of Jesus &#8211; and become quite gifted at using story to make a powerful point. The stories one finds in this chapter are no exception, but I&#8217;ll allow you to read the stories for yourself &#8211; lets stick to the meat of the argument.</p>
<p>Actually, there isn&#8217;t really an argument in this chapter &#8211; its more an introduction &#8211; a throwing under the bus if one will. Bell pulls out all the stops and asks a lot of <strong>really hard</strong> questions, the kind that haunt us when insomnia won&#8217;t leave us alone at night or in the midst of a great tragedy (like the current crises in Japan and Libya):</p>
<ul>
<li>Is Ghandi in hell? (pg. 1)</li>
<li>Why you (or me) and not them? (pg. 2)</li>
<li>Is there an age of accountability? (pg. 3)</li>
<li>Are there specific words that must be said? (pg. 4)</li>
<li>What about Muslims (and Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.)? (pg. 6)</li>
<li>Can someone go to hell because someone else didn&#8217;t do or share what they should have? (pg. <img src='http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
</ul>
<p>Bell brings the bus around for a second pass by pointing out stories in Scripture where salvation appears to come from different means &#8211; e.g. the centurion (Luke 23), Nicodemus (John 3), Luke 20, Matthew 7, Zaccheus (Luke 19), the paralyzed man (Mark 2), 1 Corinthians 7, and Paul (Acts 22). As he poetically states,</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it what you say,<br />
or who you are,<br />
or what you do,<br />
or what you say you&#8217;re going to do,<br />
or who your friends are,<br />
or who you&#8217;re married to,<br />
Or is it what questions you&#8217;re asked?<br />
Or what questions you ask in return?<br />
Or is it whether you do what you&#8217;re told and go into the city?&#8221; (pg. 16)</p>
<p>In essence, Bell wants to shake us up before he offers any answers. He wants to knock down our presuppositions and our pat explanations about salvation before he attempts to build them back up again.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8">8</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 2. Here is the New There.</strong></p>
<p>As I read this chapter I noticed it sounded a lot like another book I have been reading &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061551821/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0061551821">N.T. Wright&#8217;s Surprised by Hope</a>. Sure enough, at the end of Love Wins Bell recommends Surprised by Hope for further reading on heaven.</p>
<p>So what exactly do Rob Bell (and N.T. Wright) believe about heaven?</p>
<ul>
<li>Heaven is a real place that is someplace else, but also coming into existence here.</li>
<li>Heaven is a dynamic and earthy place, much like here and now, but without all the loss and evil.</li>
<li>We have the opportunity to be part of making heaven and earth come together.</li>
<li>At the same time, man will not simply strive on towards perfection (ala Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity), it is God who is leading and ordaining history.</li>
</ul>
<p>It is important at this juncture to note Bell&#8217;s discursion into Hebrew and Greek grammar, as this will be important to his discussions later on about hell.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9">9</a>]</sup> Namely, Bell notes that the Hebrew word <em>olam</em> and the Greek word <em>aion</em> which are oftentimes translated eternal are used in a less definite sense in Scripture &#8211; particularly revolving around a period of time, but indefinite in length. Bell&#8217;s emphasis here is not on duration but quality, that this age and the age to come are different in quality rather than in duration. Thus, the emphasis in heaven is not on its length but upon its quality.</p>
<p>Bell further discusses anger/justice/judgment in relation to heaven and how God will bring about the next age by a definitive act of judgment, but his emphasis here is on helping everyone understand that we all truly do desire to see justice occur &#8211; as he states, &#8220;&#8230;we hear people say they can&#8217;t believe in a &#8216;God of judgment.&#8217;<br />
Yes, they can.<br />
Often, we can think of little else.<br />
Every oil spill,<br />
every report of another woman sexually assaulted,<br />
every news report that another political leader has silenced the opposition through torture,<br />
imprisonment, and execution,<br />
every time we see someone stepped on by an institution or corporation more interested in profit than people,<br />
every time we stumble upon one more instance of the human heart gone wrong,<br />
we shake our first and cry out,<br />
&#8216;Will somebody please do something about this?&#8217;&#8221; (pp. 37-38)</p>
<p>The practical emphasis of the chapter is two-fold. First, Bell wants to convey that heaven is something that we are part of now and that will be here on a renewed earth. Secondly, Bell wants to convey that heaven will be other than we expect in its population &#8211; that the religious always believe they know who will be in heaven, and yet Jesus repeatedly demonstrated that everyone they didn&#8217;t expect was there &#8211; and oftentimes they weren&#8217;t!<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10">10</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 3. Hell.</strong></p>
<p>Now for the good stuff&#8230;well, I mean the really controversial stuff. In this chapter Bell takes an extended look at hell. Lets just whiz through what he finds:</p>
<p><em>Old Testament:</em></p>
<p>References to hell are scarce, there is no conception of hell as we think of it today or as it is portrayed in the New Testament. Rather it is a murky afterlife described by the term <em>sheol</em>, relevant Scriptures include Psalm 18, 30, 103, 6, 16.</p>
<p><em>New Testament:<br />
</em></p>
<p>The main word for hell is used twelve times by Jesus and it is <em>Gehenna</em> (and once by James to describe the tongue). Ge means Valley and henna means Hinnom, thus the Valley of Hinnom &#8211; a physical location outside of Jerusalem at the time of Christ where garbage was dumped (pg. 67). When Jesus spoke of &#8220;hell&#8221; Bell believes the Jews were thinking of a real, physical location that was a garbage heap. Bell explains how things like gnashing of teeth literally occurred in this garbage heap.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11">11</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Then there is <em>Hades</em> which is akin to the O.T. <em>sheol</em> and is mentioned in Revelation 1,6,20, Acts 2, Matt. 11 and 16, and Luke 10 and 16.</p>
<p>Bell argues that hell is a literal reality &#8211; but emphasizes it as a current reality and a future potential based upon our decisions. &#8220;God gives us what we want, and if that&#8217;s hell, we can have it.&#8221; (pg. 73)<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12">12</a>]</sup> Bell suggests that language about gouging out our eyes is hyperbolic and yet at the same time urges us to take it seriously stating, &#8220;But when you&#8217;ve sat with a wife who has just found out that her husband has been cheating on her for years, and you realize what it is going to do to their marriage and children and finances and friendships and future, and you see the concentric rings of pain that are going to emanate from this one man&#8217;s choices&#8211;in that moment Jesus&#8217;s warnings don&#8217;t seem that over-the-top or drastic&#8230;&#8221; (pg. 73)</p>
<p>Then Bell turns his attention back to Luke 16 and the story of the rich man and Lazarus. He begins by demonstrating that at least some portions of the parable probably aren&#8217;t meant to be read literally &#8211; e.g. can people communicate from hell with folks in heaven? Bell suggests the message is focused on the rich man keeping himself in hell &#8211; he is fixed there b/c he refuses to accept his equality with the poor man, still seeing Lazarus as someone to serve him &#8211; even when he is in hell. While Bell raises some fascinating points in this section &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure we can justify the separation as being created and maintained by the rich man based on the text itself<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13">13</a>]</sup></p>
<p>&#8220;Often the people most concerned about others going to hell when they die seem less concerned with the hells on earth right now, while the people most concerned with the hells on earth right now seem the least concerned about hell after death.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is not so much a theological as a practical statement &#8211; it is a powerful statement worth our contemplation. It is not necessary to sacrifice one&#8217;s passion for people and justice now for eternal concerns, nor is it necessary to sacrifice eternal concerns for people and justice now. Rather the answer is in a vibrant passion on both fronts, not one or the other&#8230;still, we must acknowledge that an escapist mentality can too frequently leave evangelicals looking apathetic to the world&#8217;s needs.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14">14</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Bell takes a semi-preterist position on much of Jesus&#8217; warning on punishment and destruction. He sees this as referencing the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews during the rebellion in A.D. 70.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15">15</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Next, Bell argues that Scripture (in the Old and New Testaments) moves from punishment to restoration &#8211; and that the purpose of punishment is always redemptive. He references Sodom and Gomorrah and their renewal (Ezekiel 16), as well as renewal in Jeremiah 5, 32, Lamentations 3, Hosea 14, Zephaniah 3, and so on.</p>
<p>This is used to shore up an argument concerning Matthew 25, which is one of the most difficult texts concerning the nature of hell, since its  statement about eternal punishment is juxtaposed directly next to eternal life and many scholars argue that the two must reference the same duration and that weakening the duration of punishment would weaken the duration of life. Bell falls back on an understanding of eternal as quality not duration but then suggests that punishment here also is redemptive &#8211; since the word for punishment is the Greek <em>kolazo</em> which was used to describe the pruning of a tree to ensure it produced more fruit.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16">16</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Overall, Bell argues that:</p>
<ul>
<li>Scripture says a lot less about hell than we think it does.</li>
<li>God&#8217;s punishments are always redemptive in nature.</li>
<li>The nature of the punishment is measured in quality, not duration.</li>
</ul>
<p>This chapter is very reminiscent of some work done by a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DWilliam%2520Barclay%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">prolific Universalist scholar in the 19th century &#8211; John Wesley Hanson</a>. Specifically:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=D9orAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PA1#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">Aion-Aionios: an excursus on the Greek word rendered everlasting, eternal, etc. in the Holy Bible</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=kuYPAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PP9#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">The Bible Hell: The words rendered hell in the Bible, Sheol, Hadees, Tartarus, and Gehenna, Shown to Denote a State of Temporary Duration</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>I would be very interested to know whether Bell consulted these two works in the process of writing this chapter&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 4. Does God Get What God Wants?<br />
</strong></p>
<p>This chapter is very similar in argument to works by a contemporary philosopher and theologian, <a href="http://www.thomastalbott.com/">Thomas Talbott</a>, formerly of Willamette University, in his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581128312/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1581128312">The Inescapable Love of God</a>. Essentially, Bell posits in condensed form the argument of Talbott &#8211; that if God is truly sovereign and able to accomplish His will and desires the dsalvation of all &#8211; how can other but His will occur?</p>
<p>This position takes on both the position held by Piper and co. mentioned at the beginning of this review that states that while God is all-powerful He loves people in different ways &#8211; and thus some are sent to hell while God still loves them<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17">17</a>]</sup> and also the other majority layperson position (Wesley, Arminian, free will) which holds that man by his own will refuses God. It supports the idea that God loves all in the same manner and that God is able to accomplish His will and thus all men will be saved.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18">18</a>]</sup></p>
<p>At the same time, Bell is unwilling to unequivocally suggest that all will, in the end, be redeemed. He acknowledges the Arminian position as valid<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19">19</a>]</sup> and in so doing takes a traditional stance on this position dating back to Origen and also acknowledges N.T. Wright&#8217;s position of some form of lessening of humanity due to one&#8217;s growing distance from God through sin to the point of non-human existence (though still continuing existence in some form), as well as annihilationism (as held by John Stott). He also highlights the viewpoint of some that there are second chances after death and suggests that Martin Luther was one who believed in such <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/03/10/bell-on-luthe/">though Justin Taylor has taken Rob Bell to task on this point</a>.</p>
<p>Bell points to Matt. 19, Acts 3, Col. 1, as demonstrating the belief in universal reconciliation and traces this belief system through the early church in church leaders such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, and Eusebius, as well as the general sentiment that universalism was widespread as reflected by Jerome, Augustine, and Basil.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20">20</a>]</sup></p>
<p>In the end, Bell is happy to allow the various views (excluding a strict, traditional view) within the span of &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; <sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21">21</a>]</sup>, and not to draw a definitive bead on a particular philosophy though it seems evident that his personal belief is that all will eventually be reconciled &#8211; that none will ultimately be lost forever.</p>
<p>In addition to similarities to Talbott&#8217;s works, there is significant similarity to the plurality expressed in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DC.S.%2520Lewis%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">C.S. Lewis&#8217; works, such as The Last Battle</a>, where Lewis suggests that a sincere follower of another religion may experience salvation without ever knowing Christ in a concrete sense.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 5. Dying to Live.</strong></p>
<p>Bell discusses the nature of Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection, why it was necessary, and how we should view it. He seeks to demonstrate that multiple metaphors were used by the early Christians to describe what Christ did and does and that these all describe aspects while not fully describing it in any one term.</p>
<ul>
<li>Hebrews 9 indicates Jesus is the fulfillment of all the sacrifices (pg. 123).</li>
<li>Colossians 1 indicates that Jesus is the means of reconciliation between God and man (pg. 125).</li>
<li>Romans 3 indicates that Jesus was our means of legal justification (pg. 126).</li>
<li>2 Timothy 1 indicates Jesus as the victor in battle over death (pg. 126).</li>
<li>Ephesians 1 indicates Jesus as the redeemer or purchaser of our salvation, in financial terms (pg. 126).</li>
</ul>
<p>I think Bell makes a valid point. Too often we focus upon one aspect of Christ&#8217;s redemption, ignoring other aspects. This may be especially true of our emphasis upon the legal aspect as opposed to all other aspects.</p>
<p>Also interesting is Bell&#8217;s suggestion that while there is nothing wrong with sacrificial imagery, we should decrease it since that is not terminology that people are any longer familiar with &#8211; most people having never been involved in sacrifices (pp. 127-8).</p>
<p>Bell suggests that we enter a way of life in our relationship with God, that this involves a dying in order to live.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 6. There are Rocks Everywhere.</strong></p>
<p>This chapter walks dangerously close to the realm of pluralism. Bell is vague enough in his language that it is difficult to tell whether he is playing loose with words or whether he is pluralistic in his belief that all faiths can lead to God. In any case, his argument here is reminiscent of that presented by C.S. Lewis in the last volume of the Chronicles of Narnia, &#8220;The Last Battle.&#8221; His essential point is that one does not have to use or know the name of Jesus to experience the saving power of Jesus and that while all are saved through Christ, it isn&#8217;t specified that they must interact with Christ in some specific manner to be saved. Some may think of the Romans passage which speaks of the necessity of hearing the good news (Romans 10) and Bell does not tackle these verses in his book.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22">22</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 7. The Good News is Better Than That.</strong></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t spend much time on this chapter, since it is mainly a restatement of what has been said before with a consideration of the parable of the prodigal son as a reinforcement of Bell&#8217;s argument that the good news is better than that most people are going to hell. Bell uses his famous storytelling abilities to convey this point through the parable of the prodigal son.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 8. The End is Here.</strong></p>
<p>A sort of epilogue to the book, Bell emphasizes the requisite need for trust upon God / Christ for salvation. His argument generally seems to be that trust is required, though the exact object of that trust is somewhat indistinct. This is not to say that Bell denies the physical and historical reality of Jesus, or His divinity &#8211; but rather that Bell sees Jesus as working within and outside of His &#8220;name&#8221; to bring people to Himself. I am uncomfortable with the looseness with which Bell associates knowledge of the historical / physical Jesus with the experience of salvation.</p>
<p><strong>Further Study.</strong></p>
<p>Those who have had theological discussions with me know that one of my primary interests is soteriology (salvation) and that I have a deep interest in the nature of hell. Thus, this topic and the relevant resources are not foreign to me and I have attempted to compile some of the best resources from varying perspectives on this topic. Please let me know if there are additional must-have resources which I have overlooked!</p>
<p><strong>Books:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Morgan, Christopher W. and Robert A. Peterson, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310240417/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310240417">Hell Under Fire: Modern Scholarship Reinvents Eternal Punishment</a>. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2004. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> This is an excellent compilation from a traditional orthodox perspective on hell. It includes articles by a number of contributors examining various aspects of the biblical description of hell and the various alternative philosophies. Amongst its contributors are R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Daniel I. Block, Robert W. Yarbrough, Douglas J. Moo, Gregory K Bealse, J.I. Packer, and Sinclair B. Ferguson.</em></li>
<li>Plumptre, E.H. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0217372376/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0217372376">The Spirits in Prison and Other Studies on the Life After Death</a>. London: Wm. Isbister Limited, 1884.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23">23</a>]</sup> <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong>This was at the peak of the universalism controversy in the 19th century and E.H. Plumptre attempts to carefully and fairly evaluate the evidence on both sides of the argument.</li>
<li>Parry, Robin A., Christopher H. Partridge, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802827640/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802827640">Universal Salvation? The Current Debate</a>. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2003. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em>Publishing by a Paternoster Press, an evangelical publisher in England, it contains a series of essays in which Thomas Talbott offers arguments for universalism while various orthodox theologians offer counter-arguments and critiques. Contributors include I. Howard Marshall, Thomas Johnson, Jerry Walls, Eric Reitan, Daniel Strange, John Sanders, Morwenna Ludlow, David Hilborn, and Don Horrocks.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1148375724/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1148375724">Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years: With Authorities and Extracts</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> Hanson was perhaps the most prolific proponent of universalism in written treatises during the nineteenth century. In the typical wordy manner of those times, this volume undertakes to demonstrate universalism permeating (or at least being tolerated) in early Christianity.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1458823253/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1458823253">Bible Proofs of Universal Salvation: Containing the Principal Passages of Scripture that Teach the Final Holiness and Happiness of All Mankind</a>. <strong><em>Notes: </em></strong><em>An exhaustive biblical study of Scripture in support of universalism.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0217919707/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0217919707">The Greek Word Aion-Aionios: Translated Everlasting &#8211; Eternal in the Holy Bible, Shown to Denote Limited Duration</a>. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em>Hanson seeks to demonstrate from many sources that the nature of the Greek words aion and aionios is not that of infinite duration but of a limited duration.</em></li>
<li>There are a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DJohn%2520Wesley%2520Hanson%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">number of further works by Hanson on this topic I will not take time to ennumerate individually, but you can find info. about on Amazon</a>.</li>
<li>Crockett, William, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310212685/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310212685">Four Views on Hell</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> I&#8217;m always a fan of these little four perspective volumes as they bring together diverse voices that duke it out in presenting their best endeavors to explain their theological position. In this case it includes John Walvoord, Zachary Hayes, and Clark Pinnock</em>.</li>
<li>Lewis, C.S. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060652950/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0060652950">The Great Divorce</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> Probably few theologians have been as influential in the contemporary layperson understanding of hell as C.S. Lewis (cf. Randy Alcorn, who utilizes very similar imagery to Lewis). This novel is also fascinating for its use of Platonic imagery in its portrayal.</em></li>
<li>MacDonald, George. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449911382/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1449911382">Unspoken Sermons: Series I, II, and III</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> George MacDonald was a pastor, poet, novelist, and theologian and in these three volumes he provides a number of unspoken  sermons &#8211; several of which revolve around his understanding of the nature of hell and his hope for a universal redemption</em>.</li>
<li>Walls, Jerry L. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/026801096X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=026801096X">Hell: The Logic of Damnation</a>. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em> Walls argues fo</em>r <em>the logical necessity of hell.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Websites:<br />
</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Kvanvig, Jonathan. <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/heaven-hell/">&#8220;Heaven and Hell.&#8221; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy</a>.<em><strong> Notes:</strong> Kvanvig offers the most clear presentation of the major views of hell: eternal hell, universalism, annihilation, and doors-shut-from-the-inside (cf. Lewis and Alcorn)</em><em>. A must read.</em></li>
<li>Piper, John. <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/how-does-a-sovereign-god-love">&#8220;How Does a Sovereign God Love? A Reply to Thomas Talbott.&#8221;</a><strong><em> Notes: </em></strong><em>John Piper provides a response (in 1983) to Talbott&#8217;s ideas about universal reconciliation.</em></li>
</ul>
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<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://arthurandtamie.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/love-wins-setting-the-scene-book-review-1/">Love Wins: setting the scene (book review 1)</a> (arthurandtamie.wordpress.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/rob-bell-rejects-the-gospel/">Rob Bell Rejects the Gospel</a> (slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://revivalandreformation.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/even-the-world-can-see-through-rob-bell/">Even the World Can See Through Rob Bell</a> (revivalandreformation.wordpress.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://frasermurdoch.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/a-chronology-of-rob-bell-on-hell/">A Chronology of Rob Bell on Hell</a> (frasermurdoch.wordpress.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://yahwehssong.com/2011/03/16/rob-bells-book-love-wins-my-thoughts/">Rob Bell&#8217;s Book &#8211; Love Wins: My Thoughts</a> (yahwehssong.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/16/critics-heated-up-by-bell_n_836816.html">Critics Heated Up By Bell&#8217;s Hell</a> (huffingtonpost.com)</li>
<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a href="http://ryangear.com/2011/03/16/rob-bell-and-martin-bashir/">Rob Bell and Martin Bashir Interview</a> (ryangear.com)</li>
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	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> I watched most of one with Miller from Newsweek, but won&#8217;t be bringing it into this article. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2"><strong><sup>[2]</sup></strong> This information is drawn from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Bell">Wikipedia article on Rob Bell</a>. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3"><strong><sup>[3]</sup></strong> I&#8217;m not a regular reader of either of these ministries&#8217; resources and am not readily aware of mainstream criticism of Bell&#8217;s writings, though I have spoken to individuals who were concerned as far back as Bell&#8217;s Velvet Elvis. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4"><strong><sup>[4]</sup></strong> I assume it is small&#8230;I read the Kindle edition&#8230;and it read very quickly&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5"><strong><sup>[5]</sup></strong> See chapters mentioned above in Desiring God for a brief overview and then <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/will.html">Jonathan Edward&#8217;s Freedom of the Will</a> for a devastating critique of the general view (Arminianism / free will). <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6"><strong><sup>[6]</sup></strong> Not that I am able to offer a satisfactory reconciliation of these two. I simply choose to believe in a paradox &#8211; that God is completely sovereign and just and yet radically pursuing everyone with a mighty love of the same nature. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7"><strong><sup>[7]</sup></strong> I am saddened to see so many condemning Bell for even raising these difficult questions. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8"><strong><sup>[8]</sup></strong> Is he not truly post-modern since he does offer answers? Should he have provided only questions? <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9"><strong><sup>[9]</sup></strong> I am not particularly aware of Wright&#8217;s interpretation on these words, so I don&#8217;t suggest that on this matter Wright is on the same page as Bell <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10"><strong><sup>[10]</sup></strong> Oops, I didn&#8217;t really hit this topic in the summary, but now you know it is there&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11"><strong><sup>[11]</sup></strong> For an interesting depiction of the Valley of Hinnom as a physical location see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DSigmund%2520Brouwer%2520Hank%2520Hanegraff%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">Hank Hanegraff and Sigmund Brouwer&#8217;s preterist novels</a> that were launched to challenge Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkin&#8217;s dispensational Left Behind novels. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12"><strong><sup>[12]</sup></strong> This sort of language is very similar to that utilized by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061774197/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0061774197">C.S. Lewis in The Great Divorce</a>, which Bell also recommends in this volume. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13"><strong><sup>[13]</sup></strong> Though the interactions between Abraham/Lazarus and the rich man and their somewhat unreal nature may indicate that we need to consider what details of the parable we consider to be illustrative and which descriptive. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14"><strong><sup>[14]</sup></strong> Interestingly enough, I would suggest this is more in word than in deed. I see many evangelicals deeply involved in social good, but they oftentimes object to the use of terms like social justice. I don&#8217;t want us to water down the gospel for &#8220;social justice&#8221; &#8211; but neither do I think we need to be afraid of this terminology. We should demonstrate terminology redeemed for Christ and not run from churches that seek to redeem terminology as was suggested by Glenn Beck. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15"><strong><sup>[15]</sup></strong> For those interested in learning more about the preterist position on end times Scriptures see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801077257/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0801077257">James S. Russell&#8217;s Parousia</a>, a classic nineteenth century work on the topic recommended by R.C. Sproul and C.H. Spurgeon. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16"><strong><sup>[16]</sup></strong> See <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DWilliam%2520Barclay%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">William Barclay</a> for further discussion of the nature of kolazo. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17"><strong><sup>[17]</sup></strong> since it is not His will to love them in a sense that redeems them from hell <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18"><strong><sup>[18]</sup></strong> In contrast, the Calvinist position holds that God loves some men in a particular manner and is able to accomplish His will and thus those men are saved while Arminianism holds that God&#8217;s power is in a sense limited and while He loves everyone the same, only some will accept His love. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19"><strong><sup>[19]</sup></strong> that some may resist God&#8217;s will forever <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20"><strong><sup>[20]</sup></strong> I wonder if Bell is here drawing again on Hanson, who also wrote <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ezURAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PR3#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">Universalism the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years</a> or perhaps the <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc01">Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge</a>. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21"><strong><sup>[21]</sup></strong> and I imagine, even the traditional view, though perhaps a bit begrudgingly <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22"><strong><sup>[22]</sup></strong> In my opinion, using these verses to indicate the need for Christ to be preached verbally is a mistake, not that there isn&#8217;t other evidence for the direct need to know Christ. It seems that the emphasis in this passage is on the importance of spreading the good news, but Paul goes on to explain that the good news has been heard in all corners of the world. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23"><strong><sup>[23]</sup></strong> In my own little way I am very &#8220;proud&#8221; to have a copy of this volume from 1884&#8230;No, you can&#8217;t borrow it!&#8230;but I&#8217;ll let you look at it / hold it if you drop by my place sometime&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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		<title>Creation Museum Review &#8211; Part 2.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I said I&#8217;d come back to the Creation Museum&#8230;so here goes. If you haven&#8217;t already, read my <a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/2008/08/18/creation-museum/">first post on the museum</a>. Today we are only going to cover their core exhibit &#8211; The 7 C&#8217;s of History. This will be mainly a photographic tour. As with its other exhibits, I was immensely [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I said I&#8217;d come back to the Creation Museum&#8230;so here goes. If you haven&#8217;t already, read my <a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/2008/08/18/creation-museum/">first post on the museum</a>. Today we are only going to cover their core exhibit &#8211; The 7 C&#8217;s of History. This will be mainly a photographic tour. As with its other exhibits, I was immensely impressed by the quality of the 7 C&#8217;s of History exhibit. While you may disagree on a philosophical basis with the premise of the Creation Museum, there is no arguing with the quality of their presentations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0069.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-99" title="img_0069" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0069-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a><br />
As we started our tour we saw some beautiful tanks with fish and other water creatures, this was set into a larger picture of some ancient individuals fishing.</p>
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<p>You can see one of these people sitting next to a small dinosaur. By this you can tell the great emphasis of the Creation Museum &#8211; the co-existence of creatures in a rather short time span rather than the evolutionary scale of millions of years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0071.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-101" title="img_0071" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0071-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
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<p>They had a number of nifty poisonous frogs as well. Here is just one of them. Amazing how brightly colored they are.</p>
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<p>The Creation Museum attempts to lay a foundation for all of its exhibits and beliefs by stating that both creationists and evolutionists have the same evidence, they just interpret it through different lenses.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0075.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-105" title="img_0075" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0075-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0077.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-107" title="img_0077" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0077-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>And these guys just pop up all throughout the presentation. But look at the beautiful detail of the artwork!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0078.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-108" title="img_0078" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0078-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>A comparison of the philosophical basis upon which creationists/evolutionists base their theories and the results of these divergent viewpoints.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0079.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-109" title="img_0079" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0079-232x300.jpg" alt="" width="232" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Same as above, but concerning cosmology.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0080.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-110" title="img_0080" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0080-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Looking at biological diversity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0082.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-111" title="img_0082" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0082-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Geological issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0084.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-112" title="img_0084" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0084-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0087.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-113" title="img_0087" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0087-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Summing up how the different &#8220;assumptions&#8221; all bring to their studies result in different endpoints.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0091.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-114" title="img_0091" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0091-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Traveling through biblical history&#8230;the giving of the ten commandments to Moses, etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0093.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-115" title="img_0093" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0093-300x246.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="246" /></a></p>
<p>Martin Luther. He was unpopular in his times as well. The Creation Museum takes him as an example of how change needs to occur even in the face of adversity and that popular opinion or authoritative opinion does not always arbitrate truth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0094.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-116" title="img_0094" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0094-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>A number of old bibles. Charity pointed out to me one Hebrew version where the last letter on each line was stretched out to take up the rest of the page so they could start a new word on each new line.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0096.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-118" title="img_0096" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0096-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0097.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-119" title="img_0097" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0097-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0098.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-120" title="img_0098" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0098-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0099.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-121" title="img_0099" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0099-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Notice the penguin mixed in with Adam and the rest of the animals. The Creation Museum doesn&#8217;t insist that a penguin was actually present in the garden &#8211; rather that its ancestors where&#8230;but is attempting to suggest that the original variety of creatures could have all been present in the garden simultaneously. This in part would be possible because the various specific types of animals we have may have come from a few common ancestors (natural selection, not molecules-to-man evolution &#8211; a distinction they heavily promote).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0100.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-122" title="img_0100" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0100-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
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<p>Note the serpent in the tree above Adam and Eve. Funnily enough Charity pointed out it doesn&#8217;t have limbs (whereas Scripture would seem to indicate the loss of limbs was a punishment for the fall).</p>
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<p>The results of sin&#8230;the necessity for a sacrifice. A constant reminder of the insurmountable evil (death) caused by sin.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0108.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-130" title="img_0108" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0108-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>The first murder, when Cain kills Abel.</p>
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<p>Building Noah&#8217;s Ark.</p>
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<p>They had a wall of the ark built out.</p>
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<p>A cross-section of what the ark may have looked like.</p>
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<p>A model of the ark.</p>
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<p>And another&#8230;you can&#8217;t see the people and animals trapped on the rock &#8211; very sad.</p>
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<p>An interesting set that repeated a video series using CGI of a worldwide flood sweeping over the earth. One of the few poor design decisions in my opinion &#8211; this should have been project based rather than four small LCDs.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0118.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-138" title="img_0118" src="http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/img_0118-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>How diversity came from the original creatures.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s all I have folks. Tomorrow we&#8217;ll try to get back to some more normal length articles. Just to summarize up &#8211; the Creation Museum was quite the experience. No matter your philosophical viewpoint on origins, I think you&#8217;d enjoy walking through this museum.</p>

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