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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This post is a review of the currently available study bibles. These are English translations of the Old and New Testaments found in the Christian Bible that include</p> <p>notes, maps, cross-references, and other features that delineate them as a &#8220;study&#8221; bible. At the time I performed this aggregation (1/16/12) there were 1,127 results for study [...]]]></description>
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<p>notes, maps, cross-references, and other features that delineate them as a &#8220;study&#8221; bible. At the time I performed this aggregation (1/16/12) there were 1,127 results for study bibles on Christian Book Distributor&#8217;s website.<sup>[<a href="#study-bibles-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-study-bibles-n-1">1</a>]</sup> I have attempted to compile almost all of them below &#8211; excluding study bible&#8217;s which differ only by translation or are foreign language. I&#8217;ve also excluded a number of others which I include at the bottom in a list for anyone interested in performing further research.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<table border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td><strong>Bible:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Versions:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Notes:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Visuals:</strong>(1)</td>
<td><strong>Cross-References:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Concordance:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Book Intros:</strong></td>
<td><strong>Published:</strong></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>MacArthur Study Bible</td>
<td>NKJV, NASB, ESV</td>
<td>25,000</td>
<td>140+</td>
<td>80,000</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>1997</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>ESV Study Bible</td>
<td>ESV</td>
<td>20,000</td>
<td>440+</td>
<td>80,000</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td>2009</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Zondervan Study Bible</td>
<td>NASB, NIV</td>
<td>20,000</td>
<td>80</td>
<td>100,000</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>1999</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Life Application Study Bible</td>
<td>NIV, NLT, NKJV, NASB</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Archaeological Study Bible</td>
<td>NIV, KJV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>NLT Study Bible</td>
<td>NLT</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Dake&#8217;s Annotated Reference Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>NASB New Inductive Study Bible</td>
<td>NASB</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Scofield Study Bible (Original)</td>
<td>KJV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Scofield Study Bible (Revised)</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Scofield Study Bible (III)</td>
<td>NIV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>NRSV New Oxford Annotated Bible</td>
<td>NRSV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>C.S. Lewis Bible</td>
<td>NRSV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td>2010</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>ESV Reformation Study Bible</td>
<td>ESV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Transformation Study Bible</td>
<td>NLT</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Orthodox Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>HCSB Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Serendipity Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Ryrie Study Bible</td>
<td>NASB, KJV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Jewish Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td>2011</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Literary Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>NET Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The New Interpreter&#8217;s Study Bible</td>
<td>NRSV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td>2003</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Wesley Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Harper Collins Study Bible</td>
<td>NRSV</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><strong>Other Notes About Versions:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>MacArthur Study Bible</strong> &#8211; Written by Rev. John MacArthur. MacArthur is well-known for his evangelical commentaries and controversial position on lordship salvation. This study bible takes a premillennial eschatological position and a limited atonement interpretation.</li>
<li><strong>ESV Study Bible</strong> &#8211; Includes 50 articles.</li>
<li><strong>Zondervan Study Bible</strong> &#8211; Includes articles.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Notes:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>Visuals includes maps, charts, and illustrations.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Other Options:</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>The following for various subjective reasons where not included in this list&#8230;if you believe these offer some distinctive feature which should be included please let me know and I will reconsider&#8230;</p>
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<td>The Chronological Study Bible</td>
<td>KJV Study Bible</td>
<td>The New Defender&#8217;s Study Bible</td>
<td>New Spirit Filled Life Bible (aka FIRE Bible)</td>
<td>The Charles Stanley Life Principles Bible</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Rainbow Study Bible</td>
<td>Life in the Spirit Study Bible</td>
<td>The American Patriot&#8217;s Bible</td>
<td>HCSB Apologetics Study Bible</td>
<td>The Geneva Bible.</td>
</tr>
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<td>Quest Study Bible</td>
<td>Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible</td>
<td>Thompson Chain Reference Bible</td>
<td>The Evidence Bible</td>
<td>Prophecy Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Lucado Life Lessons Study Bible</td>
<td>Cambridge Study Bible</td>
<td>Lutheran Study Bible</td>
<td>African Heritage Study Bible.</td>
<td>The King James Study Bible, 400th Anniversary Edition (Thomas Nelson, 2010).</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a class="zem_slink" title="Faith in Action Study Bible" href="http://www.amazon.com/Faith-in-Action-Study-Bible/dp/0310932289%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Damericancivilw-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0310932289" rel="amazon">Faith in Action Study Bible</a>.</td>
<td>The Matthew Henry Bible.</td>
<td>HCSB Life Essentials Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Case for Christ Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Maxwell Leadership Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Master Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Revival Study Bible.</td>
<td>Living Water Bible.</td>
<td>NRSV Access Bible.</td>
<td>Life Lessons Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The New American Catholic Study Bible.</td>
<td>Mission of God Study Bible</td>
<td>Harper Study Bible.</td>
<td>Stewardship Study Bible.</td>
<td>Blackaby Study Bible</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Comparative Study Bible.</td>
<td>Andrews Study Bible.</td>
<td><a class="zem_slink" title="The Full Life Study Bible: King James Version : The New Testament" href="http://www.amazon.com/Full-Life-Study-Bible-Testament/dp/0310916909%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Damericancivilw-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0310916909" rel="amazon">Full Life Study Bible</a>.</td>
<td>Life for Today.</td>
<td>Praise and Worship Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Inspirational Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Journey.</td>
<td>Little Rock Catholic Study Bible.</td>
<td>Faith in Action Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Reflecting God Study Bible.</td>
<td>Discover God Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Everyday Study Bible.</td>
<td>Disciple&#8217;s Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Discipleship Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The People&#8217;s Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Life Plan Study Bible.</td>
<td>Prophecy Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Legacy Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Henry Morris Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Experiencing God Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Discover Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Living Insights Study Bible.</td>
<td>The Expositor&#8217;s Study Bible.</td>
<td>Cambridge Annotated Study Bible.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>The Message Study Bible.</td>
<td>The A.W. Tozer Bible.</td>
<td>Concordia Self-Study Bible.</td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><strong>Amplifications:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong></strong>The Expanded Bible (Thomas Nelson, 2011).</li>
<li>Rotherham&#8217;s Emphasized Bible (Kregel Publications, 1994).</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Bibliography:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Wikipedia. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Study_Bible">MacArthur Study Bible</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.esvmacarthurstudybible.com/">ESV MacArthur Study Bible Official Website</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.esvstudybible.org/">ESV Study Bible Official Website</a>.</li>
<li>Wikipedia. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zondervan_NASB_Study_Bible">Zondervan NASB Study Bible</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.zondervan.com/cultures/en-us/Product/ProductDetail.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan&amp;ISBN=0310910927">Official Zondervan NASB Study Bible Product Page</a>.</li>
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	<li class="footnote" id="study-bibles-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> I also utilized Amazon&#8217;s site. A search for &#8220;study bible&#8221; on the same day filtered down to include only books returned 10,309 results. I reviewed 528 of these results, after which time I was fairly confident I had located most of the major study bibles and a few of the smaller ones. <a class="note-return" href="#to-study-bibles-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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		<title>Standing for Something.</title>
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<h3><strong>Running from <a class="zem_slink" title="Politics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics" rel="wikipedia">Politics</a></strong></h3>
<p>I follow <a class="zem_slink" title="Politics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics" rel="wikipedia">politics</a>, I can discuss politics, but I try to avoid taking a position &#8211; especially publicly &#8211; on politics. As a child of the evangelical right &#8211; including the fundamentalist response to <a class="zem_slink" title="Counterculture of the 1960s" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s" rel="wikipedia">sixties counterculture</a> &#8211; I have seen first-hand the diminishing of the gospel, of love, of faith when politics is mixed with faith.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-1">1</a>]</sup></p>
<h3><strong>Taking a Stand (on a Political(?) Issue)</strong></h3>
<p>In spite of this experience, I feel obliged to take a controversial position in at least one area &#8211; the question of foreign intervention, or isolationism. It is not uncommon in the circles I frequent to hear comments such as, &#8220;America needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; Now, I certainly am not advocating that America needs to be the puritanical big-brother for the rest of the world nor that America should be involved in policing every conflict. Further, I would suggest that while I am an American and this statement applies to an American context I see no reason for it not to apply to any other context: &#8220;Germany needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; &#8220;Nigeria needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; &#8220;China needs to stop being the world&#8217;s policeman.&#8221; The point is not that a nation or a people group, defined by geography or ethnicity, should oppose a strict policy of isolation and non-intervention &#8211; <strong>but rather that those who are able should reject apathy</strong>.</p>
<p>I remember a comic strip I once saw (and that is frequently mentioned, usually tracking back to <a class="zem_slink" title="Shane Claiborne" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Claiborne" rel="wikipedia">Shane Claiborne</a>) in which two individuals are talking. One says to the other, &#8220;I wish I knew why God allowed all this evil and violence in the world.&#8221; The other replies, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you ask him?&#8221; To which the first replies, &#8220;Because I am afraid He would ask me the same question.&#8221;<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-2" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-2">2</a>]</sup> Point being, so much of the evil we see in the world on a day-by-day basis is something we could choose to stop.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-3" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-3">3</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Tonight I finished watching <a class="zem_slink" title="Uwe Boll" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uwe_Boll" rel="wikipedia">Uwe Boll</a>&#8216;s<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-4" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-4">4</a>]</sup> 2009 film Attack on <a class="zem_slink" title="Darfur" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur" rel="wikipedia">Darfur</a> (R).<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-5" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-5">5</a>]</sup> The film is slow. It spends a lot of time in a village in Darfur building empathy for the inhabitants. This sort of drags on and on as one watches scene after scene of conversations and interactions that might appear on <a class="zem_slink" title="National Geographic Society" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society" rel="wikipedia">National Geographic</a>. Then the movie picks up pace as the village comes under attack, but unlike movies where the combat is an adrenaline rush this is simply a massacre &#8211; and Boll is in no hurry to bring it to a speedy conclusion.</p>
<p>In horror films the length of the gore is played for gross-out effect &#8211; in this film it is played for moral power. Yes, yes, we all know what happens over there (wherever that may be, somewhere else, not here) &#8211; so why do we need to see it? But there is another baby being smashed or impaled. Another woman raped.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-6" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-6">6</a>]</sup> And another. There are old men being plastered with bullets, children lying in bloody heaps, and don&#8217;t forget the agonized screams of those who are forced inside of huts and then burned alive.</p>
<p>The film concludes with a less lengthy, but (still) drawn-out visiting of the aftermath by American survivors&#8230;haunting us with our inaction and impotency. While the film makes us feel helpless in the onslaught, it also offers up &#8220;hope&#8221; in the form of intervention by a few brave souls<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-7" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-7">7</a>]</sup>. Yes, its a Hollywood-esque hope in which The Magnificent Seven hold off armed hordes with a slightly better tinge of realism &#8211; but the point is apt. <strong>It would not require that much to intervene</strong>.</p>
<p>The film is spattered with profanities &#8211; including religious profanities &#8211; but I think God is probably more ticked off at our apathy than the fact that we&#8217;ve heard a few more bad words. It reminds me of another well-known anecdote in which <a class="zem_slink" title="Tony Campolo" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Campolo" rel="wikipedia">Tony Campolo</a> said to a large audience, &#8220;I have three things I&#8217;d like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don&#8217;t give a &#8212;-. What&#8217;s worse is that you&#8217;re more upset with the fact that I said &#8212;- than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.&#8221;<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-8" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-8">8</a>]</sup></p>
<h3><strong><strong>Call to Action</strong></strong></h3>
<p>As I write this I am reminded of a song from <a class="zem_slink" title="John Reuben" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reuben" rel="wikipedia">John Reuben</a>&#8216;s album The Boy and The Cynic entitled Cooperate. The song tells the story of a dude:</p>
<p>&#8220;This dude took pride in his cause everyday / Put on his costume which defined who he was / He said he didn&#8217;t care he liked being unique / Accused the rest of the world of being a bunch of sheep / Lived his life going against the grain / Spent all of his time with those who felt the same / Hit his mid-twenties and still nothing&#8217;s changed / Except his boys who chose to grow with age / Now he&#8217;s looking for friends with the same behavior&#8221;</p>
<p>Reuben replies to the dude:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ignore the truth and neglect your responsibility / Because you can&#8217;t decipher the real world from your hobbies / This whole starving artist shtick you&#8217;ve been running with is wearing thin / &#8230; / Time for you to start cooperating cuz rent ain&#8217;t free / &#8230; / What you want and should expect are two different things / You think the rest of the world likes their suits and ties working nine to five just to get by? / &#8230; / But that don&#8217;t sit well with you&#8217;re anti-authority / Me against the world sub-genre category that you&#8217;ve placed yourself in / Do you honestly think the average man celebrates the system / But they cooperate&#8221;</p>
<p>I can empathize with Reuben&#8217;s frustrations in this song. Too often some of the loudest screechers for reform are those who couldn&#8217;t make a living any other way.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-9" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-9">9</a>]</sup> I don&#8217;t want to be a screecher.</p>
<p>I also know there is plenty of angst in this world &#8211; and most of the time I don&#8217;t need any more guilt thrown on my shoulders &#8211; so I don&#8217;t want to be someone who throws that on others either. I also know that shouting loudest doesn&#8217;t (always) make you the winner.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-10" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-10">10</a>]</sup> Getting everyone in a panic doesn&#8217;t help much &#8211; we temporarily mobilize and then the next big thing occurs and we lose our focus. I find it much more useful to look for small, real, practical ways in which we can make a difference rather than screaming a lot and getting frustrated over our inability to change everything.</p>
<p>So what can we do? The situation in the Sudan has alleviated to a great extent, not that there isn&#8217;t need for ongoing vigilance&#8230;but now and in the future there will be many other crises which will present themselves to us&#8230;how do we respond?</p>
<p>During the peak of the Darfur crisis I bought the t-shirts, wore the t-shirts, talked to people about the crisis, and did some minor advocacy in other manners. Did I do enough? Nope. How will I change that? I&#8217;m not sure. I suppose admitting that I failed, that we failed, and evaluating the current crises might be a good first step. Where are the current humanitarian crises in the world? What is being done about them? How can we find a balance between intervention and isolation?</p>
<h3><strong>Current Response<br />
</strong></h3>
<p>My current endeavor to respond to my own &#8220;call to action&#8221; &#8211; which is ongoing &#8211; is the slow and painful process of bringing life into order&#8230;in ways that can be and may seem entirely unrelated to acting on behalf of others. By this I mean things like: (a) wisely managing my expenditures<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-11" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-11">11</a>]</sup>, (b) managing my health<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-12" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-12">12</a>]</sup>, (c) creating community<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-13" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-13">13</a>]</sup>, and (d) reducing expenditures.<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-14" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-14">14</a>]</sup>, and (e) developing my relationship with God<sup>[<a href="#standing-for-something-n-15" class="footnoted" id="to-standing-for-something-n-15">15</a>]</sup></p>
<div class="zemanta-pixie" style="margin-top: 10px; height: 15px;"><a class="zemanta-pixie-a" title="Enhanced by Zemanta" href="http://www.zemanta.com/"><img class="zemanta-pixie-img" style="float: right;" src="http://img.zemanta.com/zemified_e.png?x-id=17033a69-20f0-4b23-8568-b8e1e3398d7f" alt="Enhanced by Zemanta" /></a>If we are to be effective, we must manage ourselves. For some of us that is breaking our workaholic patterns, for others it is perhaps putting up our angst costumes and getting a job and being a productive part of society rather than driving others insane.</div>

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	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> Perhaps another time I will discuss this topic more extensively. I recently delivered a series of messages on this topic at <a href="http://www.cccpenndel.org/">Calvary Community Church</a> in Penndel. To briefly sum, I do not necessarily believe Scripture indicates that either political involvement or political absence are wrong but rather that we must begin at a much more basic point (no matter our position) of humility, love, and consideration for those we disagree with. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-2"><strong><sup>[2]</sup></strong> This is my rough, from memory paraphrase. If anyone knows the original source of this illustration and perhaps a digital image of the comic &#8211; I&#8217;d love to know! <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-2">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-3"><strong><sup>[3]</sup></strong> Perhaps another time I&#8217;ll share my thoughts on chaos theory and how I think it may answer the traditional further challenge of natural disasters&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-3">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-4"><strong><sup>[4]</sup></strong> Better known for creating horror movies. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-4">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-5"><strong><sup>[5]</sup></strong> If you have <a class="zem_slink" title="Netflix" href="http://www.netflix.com/" rel="homepage">Netflix</a>, it is currently available to watch instantly. It is also available from <a class="zem_slink" title="Amazon Unbox" href="http://www.amazon.com/unbox" rel="homepage">Amazon Unbox</a> for $2.99. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-5">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-6"><strong><sup>[6]</sup></strong> No depiction of rape can be done in an inoffensive way, but Boll shows great restraint in his rape portrayals. There is no hint of sexual excitement, no innuendo &#8211; just the harsh and brutal reality. There are no exposure of the private parts &#8211; male or female &#8211; in the entire film. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-6">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-7"><strong><sup>[7]</sup></strong> Interestingly enough, some of these brave souls are the souls who ran as cowards earlier in the film, but now those who spoke tough are running and the cowards are the ones left fighting for justice. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-7">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-8"><strong><sup>[8]</sup></strong> I&#8217;m not advocating the use of profanity, I am concerned that we (evangelicals) sometimes get more upset about the presence of profanity or any of a number of hobby-horse issues than the massive suffering which we have a (great amount of) ability to stop or relieve. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-8">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-9"><strong><sup>[9]</sup></strong> Frankie Schaeffer in Crazy for God reflects great disillusionment with the evangelical movement in part b/c of its doom-and-gloom salesmanship by folks he feels couldn&#8217;t do anything but sell angst. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-9">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-10"><strong><sup>[10]</sup></strong> Unfortunately, too often it does, as those with the loudest voices overcome those with reasoned voices. This is certainly a weakness on the part of the loud, but the reasoned must also accept culpability for the failure to stand up and speak truth even when others are being loud, annoying, and forceful. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-10">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-11"><strong><sup>[11]</sup></strong> So that I can free up disposable income for use with a purpose. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-11">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-12"><strong><sup>[12]</sup></strong> My struggles with depression and ocd oftentimes paralyze me. I know my ability to persevere in pursuing a call to action over time is correlated with my health. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-12">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-13"><strong><sup>[13]</sup></strong> Especially within the church, which can be activated for mission. Going alone our ability is limited, together we are greatly strengthened. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-13">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-14"><strong><sup>[14]</sup></strong> Finding areas in which I really don&#8217;t need this or that. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-14">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="standing-for-something-n-15"><strong><sup>[15]</sup></strong> So that I have His heart and do things in His strength. When my ego and selfishness get in the way my good deeds are as dust, evaporating into the air in spite of their momentary appearance of solidity. <a class="note-return" href="#to-standing-for-something-n-15">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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<p>I found the following books on Christian Book Distributors at really great discounts and figured I&#8217;d pass off the list for anyone else who may be interested. I&#8217;ve noted ones I&#8217;m particularly interested in with an *. I actually have a bunch more, but I&#8217;ll post them in another post to come sometime in the near future. Enjoy!</p>
<p><strong>Non-Fiction:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Holman, Susan R. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=035494">Wealth and Poverty in Early Church in Society</a>. Baker Academic, 2008. $4.99.*</li>
<li>Pagitt, Doug and Tony Jones. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=071560">An Emergent Manifesto of Hope</a>. <a class="zem_slink" title="Baker Publishing Group" rel="homepage" href="http://www.bakerpublishinggroup.com/">Baker Books</a>, 2008. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Boyd, Craig. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=431623">A Shared Morality: A Narrative Defense of Natural Law Ethics</a>. Brazos Press, 2007. $1.99.</li>
<li>Maxwell, Marcus. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561979">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Revelation</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Alexander, Loveday. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561898">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Acts</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Moloney, Francis J. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561960">Daily Bible Commentary Series: James, 1 &amp; 2 Peter, 1, 2 &amp; 3 John, and Jude</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>France, Dick. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561952">Daily Bible Commentary Series: 1 &amp; 2 Timothy, Titus, and Hebrews</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Morris, J.N. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=635337">Renewed by the Word: The Bible and Christian Revival since the Reformation</a>. Hendrickson Publishers. $1.99.*</li>
<li>O&#8217;Connor, Jerome Murphy. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=56191X">Daily Bible Commentary Series: 1 Corinthians</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Maxwell, Marcus. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561944">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Philemon</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Fenton, John. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561936">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Galatians and 1 &amp; 2 Thessalonians</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Ward, Hannah and Jennifer Wild. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=225071">Resources for Preaching and Worship-Year A: Quotations, Meditations, Poetry, and Prayers</a>. <a class="zem_slink" title="Westminster John Knox" rel="homepage" href="http://www.wjkbooks.com">Westminster John Knox Press</a>, 2004. $2.99.</li>
<li>Balmer, Randall. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=224091">Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism</a>. Westminster John Knox Press. $4.99.</li>
<li>Donaldson, Dave and Carlson-Thies Stanley. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=64450">A Revolution of Compassion: Faith-Based Groups As Full Partners in Fighting America&#8217;s Social Problems</a>. Baker, 2003. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Eggar, Jack. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=738959">The Return of a Mighty Church: A Modern Fable</a>. Gospel Light, 2005. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Wessells, John. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=257662">Conversations with the Voiceless: Finding God&#8217;s Love in Life&#8217;s Hardest Questions</a>. Zondervan. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Klingsporn, Gary W., ed. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=0979X">The Library of Distinctive Sermons, Volume 1</a>. Multnomah Publishers Inc., 1996.*</li>
<li>Kraus, Harry. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=348583">Breathing Grace: What You Need More Than Your Next Breath</a>. Crossway Books &amp; Bibles, 2007. $3.99.*</li>
<li>Finch, Tom. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=67508">Unmapped Darkness: Finding God&#8217;s Path Through Suffering</a>. <a class="zem_slink" title="Moody Publishers" rel="homepage" href="http://www.moodypublishers.com/">Moody Publishers</a>, 2004. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Bruner, Kurt and Jim Ware. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=81044">Finding God in the Land of Narnia</a>. SaltRiver, 2005. $1.99.</li>
<li>Boyd, David. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=94478">You Don&#8217;t Have to Cross the Ocean to Reach the World: The Power of Local Cross-Cultural Ministry</a>. Chosen, 2008. $1.99.*</li>
<li>Water, Mark, ed. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=63280X">Encyclopedia of Prayer and Praise</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2004. $6.99.*</li>
<li>Burridge, Richard A. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=56188X">Daily Bible Commentary Series: John</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>France, Dick. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561863">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Mark</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Specner, Aida Besancon. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561928">Daily Bible Commentary Series: 2 Corinthians</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Wansbrough, Henry. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561871">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Luke</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Proctor, John. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=561855">Daily Bible Commentary Series: Matthew</a>. Hendrickson Publishers, 2007. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Palau, Luis and Zhao Qizheng. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=85333">A Friendly Dialogue Between an Atheist and a Christian</a>. Zondervan, 2008. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Aune, David E. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=219179">Westminster Dictionary of Early Christian Literature</a>. Westminster John Knox Press. $12.99.*</li>
<li>Sweeney, Jon M. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=432682">Cloister Talks: Learning from My Friends the Monks</a>. Brazos Press, 2009. $1.99.</li>
<li>Lovin, Robin W. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=617770">Christian Faith and Public Choices: The Social Ethics of Barth, Brunner, and Bonhoeffer</a>. Fortress Press. $1.99.</li>
<li> Alsdorf, Debbie. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=733667">A Different Kind of Wild: Is Your Faith Too Tame?</a> Revell, 2009. $1.99.</li>
<li>Arterburn, Stephen and John Shore. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=206610">Midlife Manual for Men: Finding Significance in the Second Half</a>. Bethany House, 2008. $2.99.</li>
<li>Arterburn, Stephen. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=3514X">When You Love Too Much: Walking the Road to Healthy Intimacy</a>. Gospel Light, 2001. $2.99.*</li>
<li>Neusner, Jacob. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=227805">The Emergency of Judaism</a>. Westminster John Knox Press, 2004. $3.99.*</li>
<li>Horton, Michael. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=41025">A Confessing Theology for Postmodern Times</a>. Good Steward Books, 2000. $3.99.*</li>
<li></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Fiction:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Wilson, Eric. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=67440">Dark to Mortal Eyes</a>. Random House, Inc., 2004.<strong></strong></li>
<li>Wells, Melanie. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=524260">When the Day of Evil Comes</a>. Multnomah Publishers, Inc., 2005.</li>
<li>Windle, Jeanette. <a href="http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&amp;amp;p=1163973&amp;amp;item_no=314747">Betrayed</a>. Tyndale House, 2008. $2.99.</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: I&#8217;ve started a new site dedication to the discussion/study of hell/justice/love/etc. I&#8217;ll be porting the material on this site to it and extending the materials already posted here. Take a look at <a href="http://www.justiceandlove.com/">http://www.justiceandlove.com/</a>.</p> <p>Overview:</p> <p>In this post I am attempting to accomplish several tasks simultaneously:</p> An introduction to Rob Bell and the current [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> I&#8217;ve started a new site dedication to the  discussion/study of hell/justice/love/etc. I&#8217;ll be porting the material  on this site to it and extending the materials already posted here. Take  a look at <a href="http://www.justiceandlove.com/">http://www.justiceandlove.com/</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Overview:</strong></p>
<p>In this post I am attempting to accomplish several tasks simultaneously:</p>
<ol>
<li>An introduction to Rob Bell and the current firestorm surrounding his latest book Love Wins.</li>
<li>A review/commentary of said book (Love Wins) on its own merits, apart from all the additional materials currently being generated via various interviews Bell is partaking in.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1">1</a>]</sup></li>
<li>A listing of resources for further study upon this topic from orthodox and unorthodox perspectives.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Questions:</strong></p>
<p>By the time I finished writing a summary with a few reference notes and including items for further study I&#8217;m plum tuckered out writing this article. In addition to the four to six hours it took me to read Bell&#8217;s book it has probably taken me another two or three to create this article. As such, I did much less commentary on Bell&#8217;s ideas than I had initially intended&#8230;There are many areas in which I could expand significantly, but instead of pouring more time into this already sprawling article I&#8217;d ask you for the questions that come to your mind &#8211; and I&#8217;ll attempt to answer them as best I can from Bell&#8217;s book or other resources available to me.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>Warning:</strong></p>
<p>I believe that serious thinking about heaven and hell is important for all Christians. I would go so far as to say that while we (evangelicals) maintain a doctrine of hell, we deny it with our lives. I have met very few individuals who truly live in a manner consistent with what they claim to believe.</p>
<p>That said, I would warn those considering broaching this topic that it should not be entered upon lightly. If you are not prepared to engage this topic seriously &#8211; which will include a significant amount of emotional and spiritual turmoil &#8211; it may be best not to approach it at all.</p>
<p>Perhaps the worst we can do is pretend to engage this topic &#8211; really engage it &#8211; and instead simply touch it and run away &#8211; kidding ourselves into the belief that we have really dealt with this topic. There is pain involved in any serious consideration of hell, if you don&#8217;t feel pain in the process &#8211; you aren&#8217;t doing it right. If you don&#8217;t want to puke and cry, you haven&#8217;t hit the heart of hell.</p>
<p><strong>Contents:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Overview</li>
<li>Questions</li>
<li>Warning</li>
<li>Contents</li>
<li>Rob Who?</li>
<li>Review / Commentary
<ul>
<li>Preface</li>
<li>Chapter 1. What About the Flat Tire?</li>
<li>Chapter 2. Here is the New There.</li>
<li>Chapter 3. Hell.</li>
<li>Chapter 4. Does God Get What God Wants?</li>
<li>Chapter 5. Dying to Live.</li>
<li>Chapter 6. There are Rocks Everywhere.</li>
<li>Chapter 7. The Good News is Better Than That.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Further Study
<ul>
<li>Books</li>
<li>Websites</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Rob Who?</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.robbell.com/">Rob Bell</a> is the founding pastor of <a href="http://marshill.org/">Mars Hill Bible Church</a> in Grand Rapids, Michigan with attendance estimated at 8,000-10,000 each Sunday. Bell received his Bachelors from <a href="http://www.wheaton.edu/">Wheaton College</a> and then a Masters in Divinity from <a href="http://www.fuller.edu/">Fuller Seminary</a>. He moved to Grand Rapids and served under <a href="http://www.livingjesusly.com/">Ed Dobson</a> before branching off to found Mars Hill.</p>
<p>Bell first became well-known for his <a href="http://nooma.com/">NOOMA</a> series of videos which utilize his teachings, indie music, and an artistic visual flare to talk about faith and life. Bell went on to author several books including <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310273080/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310273080">Velvet Elvis</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310280672/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310280672">Sex God</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310275024/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310275024">Jesus Wants to Save Christians</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310327040/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310327040">Drops Like Stars</a>, and most recently <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006204964X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=006204964X">Love Wins</a>.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2">2</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Bell has long been a controversial figure on the evangelical (Christian) scene. Lighthouse Trails Publishing argues that <a href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/robbell.htm">contemplative spirituality and spiritual formation are anti-Scriptural movements and aligns Bell with both of these</a>. You can find a long history of articles questioning Bell&#8217;s orthodoxy over a number of issues at <a href="http://apprising.org/category/rob-bell/page/31/">Apprising Ministries (Ken Silva)</a>.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3">3</a>]</sup> But it was only recently that Bell became the center of a tremendous amount of angst within evangelicalism. This firestorm was set off by <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/02/26/rob-bell-universalist/">Justin Taylor with his post Rob Bell: Universalist?</a> and really spurred on by John Piper&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/JohnPiper">tweet &#8220;Farewell Rob Bell.&#8221;</a> Now, the book has hit the shelves and is being voraciously devoured around the world&#8230;including by yours truly. I began reading the book yesterday evening, read again tonight, and have now completed this small volume<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4">4</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>The Review / Commentary:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take the book chapter by chapter and provide snippets from the book as well as commentary on various points. I&#8217;ll try and pull in various resources as they apply throughout the book as well as providing a more extensive guide for further study at the end of this article.<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p><strong>Preface.</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;I believe that Jesus&#8217; story is first and foremost about the love of God for every single one of us. It is a stunning, beautiful, expansive love, and it is for everybody, everywhere.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>This may seem like one of the most common sense statements one could make about the Christian faith, but Bell is subtly taking on a major viewpoint within Christianity. John Piper is representative of this view. Put simply: God chooses (according to His own mysterious will) whom He will extend grace to volitionally choose Him and receive the gift of salvation. Anyone God chooses will be saved, anyone He does not choose will not be saved. For a exposition of this line of thinking see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601423101/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1601423101">Piper&#8217;s book Desiring God</a> Chapters 1 &amp; 2 <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/dg/id6.htm">&#8220;Happiness&#8221;</a> and <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/dg/id36.htm">&#8220;Conversion&#8221;</a>. These individuals generally agree that   God loves everyone, but insist that God loves some people differently   than others &#8211; thus some are saved from hell while others are damned to   hell. For those who are first encountering this conception one&#8217;s response may be &#8220;Ridiculous!&#8221; but I assure you that this is the serious belief of many of our leading theologians and pastors &#8211; not only contemporaneously but also historically.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5">5</a>]</sup></p>
<p>I agree with Bell on this commitment to the love of God (while at the same time maintaining the complete sovereignty of God), believing that we cannot subjugate an accurate depiction of the love of God for the sake of accurately depicting the sovereignty and justice of God.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6">6</a>]</sup></p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;I&#8217;ve written this book because the kind of faith Jesus invites us into doesn&#8217;t skirt the big questions about topics like God and Jesus and salvation and judgment and heaven and hell, but takes us deep into the heart of them.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Bell asks a lot of the right questions and is certainly right that these questions are appropriate and acceptable to ask &#8211; but he falls short in addressing these questions to the full extent they deserve.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7">7</a>]</sup> Specifically, he fails to provides readers with accurate resources for verifying his deductions and conclusions. Throughout Bell tells us that certain interpretations and meanings are true but fails to provide references to which we can look to verify his interpretations. I understand this is a lay text rather than an academic text &#8211; but adding endnotes would not have inhibited the readability of the text and would certainly have enhanced its usefulness.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 1. What About the Flat Tire?</strong></p>
<p>Bell is a master storyteller. It is obvious that he has studied the art &#8211; and studied the teachings of Jesus &#8211; and become quite gifted at using story to make a powerful point. The stories one finds in this chapter are no exception, but I&#8217;ll allow you to read the stories for yourself &#8211; lets stick to the meat of the argument.</p>
<p>Actually, there isn&#8217;t really an argument in this chapter &#8211; its more an introduction &#8211; a throwing under the bus if one will. Bell pulls out all the stops and asks a lot of <strong>really hard</strong> questions, the kind that haunt us when insomnia won&#8217;t leave us alone at night or in the midst of a great tragedy (like the current crises in Japan and Libya):</p>
<ul>
<li>Is Ghandi in hell? (pg. 1)</li>
<li>Why you (or me) and not them? (pg. 2)</li>
<li>Is there an age of accountability? (pg. 3)</li>
<li>Are there specific words that must be said? (pg. 4)</li>
<li>What about Muslims (and Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.)? (pg. 6)</li>
<li>Can someone go to hell because someone else didn&#8217;t do or share what they should have? (pg. <img src='http://www.daveenjoys.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
</ul>
<p>Bell brings the bus around for a second pass by pointing out stories in Scripture where salvation appears to come from different means &#8211; e.g. the centurion (Luke 23), Nicodemus (John 3), Luke 20, Matthew 7, Zaccheus (Luke 19), the paralyzed man (Mark 2), 1 Corinthians 7, and Paul (Acts 22). As he poetically states,</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it what you say,<br />
or who you are,<br />
or what you do,<br />
or what you say you&#8217;re going to do,<br />
or who your friends are,<br />
or who you&#8217;re married to,<br />
Or is it what questions you&#8217;re asked?<br />
Or what questions you ask in return?<br />
Or is it whether you do what you&#8217;re told and go into the city?&#8221; (pg. 16)</p>
<p>In essence, Bell wants to shake us up before he offers any answers. He wants to knock down our presuppositions and our pat explanations about salvation before he attempts to build them back up again.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8">8</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 2. Here is the New There.</strong></p>
<p>As I read this chapter I noticed it sounded a lot like another book I have been reading &#8211; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061551821/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0061551821">N.T. Wright&#8217;s Surprised by Hope</a>. Sure enough, at the end of Love Wins Bell recommends Surprised by Hope for further reading on heaven.</p>
<p>So what exactly do Rob Bell (and N.T. Wright) believe about heaven?</p>
<ul>
<li>Heaven is a real place that is someplace else, but also coming into existence here.</li>
<li>Heaven is a dynamic and earthy place, much like here and now, but without all the loss and evil.</li>
<li>We have the opportunity to be part of making heaven and earth come together.</li>
<li>At the same time, man will not simply strive on towards perfection (ala Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity), it is God who is leading and ordaining history.</li>
</ul>
<p>It is important at this juncture to note Bell&#8217;s discursion into Hebrew and Greek grammar, as this will be important to his discussions later on about hell.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9">9</a>]</sup> Namely, Bell notes that the Hebrew word <em>olam</em> and the Greek word <em>aion</em> which are oftentimes translated eternal are used in a less definite sense in Scripture &#8211; particularly revolving around a period of time, but indefinite in length. Bell&#8217;s emphasis here is not on duration but quality, that this age and the age to come are different in quality rather than in duration. Thus, the emphasis in heaven is not on its length but upon its quality.</p>
<p>Bell further discusses anger/justice/judgment in relation to heaven and how God will bring about the next age by a definitive act of judgment, but his emphasis here is on helping everyone understand that we all truly do desire to see justice occur &#8211; as he states, &#8220;&#8230;we hear people say they can&#8217;t believe in a &#8216;God of judgment.&#8217;<br />
Yes, they can.<br />
Often, we can think of little else.<br />
Every oil spill,<br />
every report of another woman sexually assaulted,<br />
every news report that another political leader has silenced the opposition through torture,<br />
imprisonment, and execution,<br />
every time we see someone stepped on by an institution or corporation more interested in profit than people,<br />
every time we stumble upon one more instance of the human heart gone wrong,<br />
we shake our first and cry out,<br />
&#8216;Will somebody please do something about this?&#8217;&#8221; (pp. 37-38)</p>
<p>The practical emphasis of the chapter is two-fold. First, Bell wants to convey that heaven is something that we are part of now and that will be here on a renewed earth. Secondly, Bell wants to convey that heaven will be other than we expect in its population &#8211; that the religious always believe they know who will be in heaven, and yet Jesus repeatedly demonstrated that everyone they didn&#8217;t expect was there &#8211; and oftentimes they weren&#8217;t!<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10">10</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 3. Hell.</strong></p>
<p>Now for the good stuff&#8230;well, I mean the really controversial stuff. In this chapter Bell takes an extended look at hell. Lets just whiz through what he finds:</p>
<p><em>Old Testament:</em></p>
<p>References to hell are scarce, there is no conception of hell as we think of it today or as it is portrayed in the New Testament. Rather it is a murky afterlife described by the term <em>sheol</em>, relevant Scriptures include Psalm 18, 30, 103, 6, 16.</p>
<p><em>New Testament:<br />
</em></p>
<p>The main word for hell is used twelve times by Jesus and it is <em>Gehenna</em> (and once by James to describe the tongue). Ge means Valley and henna means Hinnom, thus the Valley of Hinnom &#8211; a physical location outside of Jerusalem at the time of Christ where garbage was dumped (pg. 67). When Jesus spoke of &#8220;hell&#8221; Bell believes the Jews were thinking of a real, physical location that was a garbage heap. Bell explains how things like gnashing of teeth literally occurred in this garbage heap.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11">11</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Then there is <em>Hades</em> which is akin to the O.T. <em>sheol</em> and is mentioned in Revelation 1,6,20, Acts 2, Matt. 11 and 16, and Luke 10 and 16.</p>
<p>Bell argues that hell is a literal reality &#8211; but emphasizes it as a current reality and a future potential based upon our decisions. &#8220;God gives us what we want, and if that&#8217;s hell, we can have it.&#8221; (pg. 73)<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12">12</a>]</sup> Bell suggests that language about gouging out our eyes is hyperbolic and yet at the same time urges us to take it seriously stating, &#8220;But when you&#8217;ve sat with a wife who has just found out that her husband has been cheating on her for years, and you realize what it is going to do to their marriage and children and finances and friendships and future, and you see the concentric rings of pain that are going to emanate from this one man&#8217;s choices&#8211;in that moment Jesus&#8217;s warnings don&#8217;t seem that over-the-top or drastic&#8230;&#8221; (pg. 73)</p>
<p>Then Bell turns his attention back to Luke 16 and the story of the rich man and Lazarus. He begins by demonstrating that at least some portions of the parable probably aren&#8217;t meant to be read literally &#8211; e.g. can people communicate from hell with folks in heaven? Bell suggests the message is focused on the rich man keeping himself in hell &#8211; he is fixed there b/c he refuses to accept his equality with the poor man, still seeing Lazarus as someone to serve him &#8211; even when he is in hell. While Bell raises some fascinating points in this section &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure we can justify the separation as being created and maintained by the rich man based on the text itself<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13">13</a>]</sup></p>
<p>&#8220;Often the people most concerned about others going to hell when they die seem less concerned with the hells on earth right now, while the people most concerned with the hells on earth right now seem the least concerned about hell after death.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is not so much a theological as a practical statement &#8211; it is a powerful statement worth our contemplation. It is not necessary to sacrifice one&#8217;s passion for people and justice now for eternal concerns, nor is it necessary to sacrifice eternal concerns for people and justice now. Rather the answer is in a vibrant passion on both fronts, not one or the other&#8230;still, we must acknowledge that an escapist mentality can too frequently leave evangelicals looking apathetic to the world&#8217;s needs.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14">14</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Bell takes a semi-preterist position on much of Jesus&#8217; warning on punishment and destruction. He sees this as referencing the destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews during the rebellion in A.D. 70.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15">15</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Next, Bell argues that Scripture (in the Old and New Testaments) moves from punishment to restoration &#8211; and that the purpose of punishment is always redemptive. He references Sodom and Gomorrah and their renewal (Ezekiel 16), as well as renewal in Jeremiah 5, 32, Lamentations 3, Hosea 14, Zephaniah 3, and so on.</p>
<p>This is used to shore up an argument concerning Matthew 25, which is one of the most difficult texts concerning the nature of hell, since its  statement about eternal punishment is juxtaposed directly next to eternal life and many scholars argue that the two must reference the same duration and that weakening the duration of punishment would weaken the duration of life. Bell falls back on an understanding of eternal as quality not duration but then suggests that punishment here also is redemptive &#8211; since the word for punishment is the Greek <em>kolazo</em> which was used to describe the pruning of a tree to ensure it produced more fruit.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16">16</a>]</sup></p>
<p>Overall, Bell argues that:</p>
<ul>
<li>Scripture says a lot less about hell than we think it does.</li>
<li>God&#8217;s punishments are always redemptive in nature.</li>
<li>The nature of the punishment is measured in quality, not duration.</li>
</ul>
<p>This chapter is very reminiscent of some work done by a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DWilliam%2520Barclay%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">prolific Universalist scholar in the 19th century &#8211; John Wesley Hanson</a>. Specifically:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=D9orAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PA1#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">Aion-Aionios: an excursus on the Greek word rendered everlasting, eternal, etc. in the Holy Bible</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=kuYPAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PP9#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">The Bible Hell: The words rendered hell in the Bible, Sheol, Hadees, Tartarus, and Gehenna, Shown to Denote a State of Temporary Duration</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>I would be very interested to know whether Bell consulted these two works in the process of writing this chapter&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 4. Does God Get What God Wants?<br />
</strong></p>
<p>This chapter is very similar in argument to works by a contemporary philosopher and theologian, <a href="http://www.thomastalbott.com/">Thomas Talbott</a>, formerly of Willamette University, in his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581128312/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1581128312">The Inescapable Love of God</a>. Essentially, Bell posits in condensed form the argument of Talbott &#8211; that if God is truly sovereign and able to accomplish His will and desires the dsalvation of all &#8211; how can other but His will occur?</p>
<p>This position takes on both the position held by Piper and co. mentioned at the beginning of this review that states that while God is all-powerful He loves people in different ways &#8211; and thus some are sent to hell while God still loves them<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17">17</a>]</sup> and also the other majority layperson position (Wesley, Arminian, free will) which holds that man by his own will refuses God. It supports the idea that God loves all in the same manner and that God is able to accomplish His will and thus all men will be saved.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18">18</a>]</sup></p>
<p>At the same time, Bell is unwilling to unequivocally suggest that all will, in the end, be redeemed. He acknowledges the Arminian position as valid<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19">19</a>]</sup> and in so doing takes a traditional stance on this position dating back to Origen and also acknowledges N.T. Wright&#8217;s position of some form of lessening of humanity due to one&#8217;s growing distance from God through sin to the point of non-human existence (though still continuing existence in some form), as well as annihilationism (as held by John Stott). He also highlights the viewpoint of some that there are second chances after death and suggests that Martin Luther was one who believed in such <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/03/10/bell-on-luthe/">though Justin Taylor has taken Rob Bell to task on this point</a>.</p>
<p>Bell points to Matt. 19, Acts 3, Col. 1, as demonstrating the belief in universal reconciliation and traces this belief system through the early church in church leaders such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, and Eusebius, as well as the general sentiment that universalism was widespread as reflected by Jerome, Augustine, and Basil.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20">20</a>]</sup></p>
<p>In the end, Bell is happy to allow the various views (excluding a strict, traditional view) within the span of &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; <sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21">21</a>]</sup>, and not to draw a definitive bead on a particular philosophy though it seems evident that his personal belief is that all will eventually be reconciled &#8211; that none will ultimately be lost forever.</p>
<p>In addition to similarities to Talbott&#8217;s works, there is significant similarity to the plurality expressed in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DC.S.%2520Lewis%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">C.S. Lewis&#8217; works, such as The Last Battle</a>, where Lewis suggests that a sincere follower of another religion may experience salvation without ever knowing Christ in a concrete sense.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 5. Dying to Live.</strong></p>
<p>Bell discusses the nature of Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection, why it was necessary, and how we should view it. He seeks to demonstrate that multiple metaphors were used by the early Christians to describe what Christ did and does and that these all describe aspects while not fully describing it in any one term.</p>
<ul>
<li>Hebrews 9 indicates Jesus is the fulfillment of all the sacrifices (pg. 123).</li>
<li>Colossians 1 indicates that Jesus is the means of reconciliation between God and man (pg. 125).</li>
<li>Romans 3 indicates that Jesus was our means of legal justification (pg. 126).</li>
<li>2 Timothy 1 indicates Jesus as the victor in battle over death (pg. 126).</li>
<li>Ephesians 1 indicates Jesus as the redeemer or purchaser of our salvation, in financial terms (pg. 126).</li>
</ul>
<p>I think Bell makes a valid point. Too often we focus upon one aspect of Christ&#8217;s redemption, ignoring other aspects. This may be especially true of our emphasis upon the legal aspect as opposed to all other aspects.</p>
<p>Also interesting is Bell&#8217;s suggestion that while there is nothing wrong with sacrificial imagery, we should decrease it since that is not terminology that people are any longer familiar with &#8211; most people having never been involved in sacrifices (pp. 127-8).</p>
<p>Bell suggests that we enter a way of life in our relationship with God, that this involves a dying in order to live.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 6. There are Rocks Everywhere.</strong></p>
<p>This chapter walks dangerously close to the realm of pluralism. Bell is vague enough in his language that it is difficult to tell whether he is playing loose with words or whether he is pluralistic in his belief that all faiths can lead to God. In any case, his argument here is reminiscent of that presented by C.S. Lewis in the last volume of the Chronicles of Narnia, &#8220;The Last Battle.&#8221; His essential point is that one does not have to use or know the name of Jesus to experience the saving power of Jesus and that while all are saved through Christ, it isn&#8217;t specified that they must interact with Christ in some specific manner to be saved. Some may think of the Romans passage which speaks of the necessity of hearing the good news (Romans 10) and Bell does not tackle these verses in his book.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22">22</a>]</sup></p>
<p><strong>Chapter 7. The Good News is Better Than That.</strong></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t spend much time on this chapter, since it is mainly a restatement of what has been said before with a consideration of the parable of the prodigal son as a reinforcement of Bell&#8217;s argument that the good news is better than that most people are going to hell. Bell uses his famous storytelling abilities to convey this point through the parable of the prodigal son.</p>
<p><strong>Chapter 8. The End is Here.</strong></p>
<p>A sort of epilogue to the book, Bell emphasizes the requisite need for trust upon God / Christ for salvation. His argument generally seems to be that trust is required, though the exact object of that trust is somewhat indistinct. This is not to say that Bell denies the physical and historical reality of Jesus, or His divinity &#8211; but rather that Bell sees Jesus as working within and outside of His &#8220;name&#8221; to bring people to Himself. I am uncomfortable with the looseness with which Bell associates knowledge of the historical / physical Jesus with the experience of salvation.</p>
<p><strong>Further Study.</strong></p>
<p>Those who have had theological discussions with me know that one of my primary interests is soteriology (salvation) and that I have a deep interest in the nature of hell. Thus, this topic and the relevant resources are not foreign to me and I have attempted to compile some of the best resources from varying perspectives on this topic. Please let me know if there are additional must-have resources which I have overlooked!</p>
<p><strong>Books:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Morgan, Christopher W. and Robert A. Peterson, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310240417/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310240417">Hell Under Fire: Modern Scholarship Reinvents Eternal Punishment</a>. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2004. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> This is an excellent compilation from a traditional orthodox perspective on hell. It includes articles by a number of contributors examining various aspects of the biblical description of hell and the various alternative philosophies. Amongst its contributors are R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Daniel I. Block, Robert W. Yarbrough, Douglas J. Moo, Gregory K Bealse, J.I. Packer, and Sinclair B. Ferguson.</em></li>
<li>Plumptre, E.H. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0217372376/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0217372376">The Spirits in Prison and Other Studies on the Life After Death</a>. London: Wm. Isbister Limited, 1884.<sup>[<a href="#love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23" class="footnoted" id="to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23">23</a>]</sup> <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong>This was at the peak of the universalism controversy in the 19th century and E.H. Plumptre attempts to carefully and fairly evaluate the evidence on both sides of the argument.</li>
<li>Parry, Robin A., Christopher H. Partridge, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802827640/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802827640">Universal Salvation? The Current Debate</a>. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2003. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em>Publishing by a Paternoster Press, an evangelical publisher in England, it contains a series of essays in which Thomas Talbott offers arguments for universalism while various orthodox theologians offer counter-arguments and critiques. Contributors include I. Howard Marshall, Thomas Johnson, Jerry Walls, Eric Reitan, Daniel Strange, John Sanders, Morwenna Ludlow, David Hilborn, and Don Horrocks.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1148375724/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1148375724">Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years: With Authorities and Extracts</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> Hanson was perhaps the most prolific proponent of universalism in written treatises during the nineteenth century. In the typical wordy manner of those times, this volume undertakes to demonstrate universalism permeating (or at least being tolerated) in early Christianity.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1458823253/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1458823253">Bible Proofs of Universal Salvation: Containing the Principal Passages of Scripture that Teach the Final Holiness and Happiness of All Mankind</a>. <strong><em>Notes: </em></strong><em>An exhaustive biblical study of Scripture in support of universalism.</em></li>
<li>Hanson, John Wesley. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0217919707/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0217919707">The Greek Word Aion-Aionios: Translated Everlasting &#8211; Eternal in the Holy Bible, Shown to Denote Limited Duration</a>. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em>Hanson seeks to demonstrate from many sources that the nature of the Greek words aion and aionios is not that of infinite duration but of a limited duration.</em></li>
<li>There are a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DJohn%2520Wesley%2520Hanson%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">number of further works by Hanson on this topic I will not take time to ennumerate individually, but you can find info. about on Amazon</a>.</li>
<li>Crockett, William, ed. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310212685/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310212685">Four Views on Hell</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> I&#8217;m always a fan of these little four perspective volumes as they bring together diverse voices that duke it out in presenting their best endeavors to explain their theological position. In this case it includes John Walvoord, Zachary Hayes, and Clark Pinnock</em>.</li>
<li>Lewis, C.S. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060652950/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0060652950">The Great Divorce</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> Probably few theologians have been as influential in the contemporary layperson understanding of hell as C.S. Lewis (cf. Randy Alcorn, who utilizes very similar imagery to Lewis). This novel is also fascinating for its use of Platonic imagery in its portrayal.</em></li>
<li>MacDonald, George. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1449911382/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1449911382">Unspoken Sermons: Series I, II, and III</a>. <em><strong>Notes:</strong> George MacDonald was a pastor, poet, novelist, and theologian and in these three volumes he provides a number of unspoken  sermons &#8211; several of which revolve around his understanding of the nature of hell and his hope for a universal redemption</em>.</li>
<li>Walls, Jerry L. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/026801096X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=026801096X">Hell: The Logic of Damnation</a>. <strong><em>Notes:</em></strong><em> Walls argues fo</em>r <em>the logical necessity of hell.</em></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Websites:<br />
</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Kvanvig, Jonathan. <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/heaven-hell/">&#8220;Heaven and Hell.&#8221; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy</a>.<em><strong> Notes:</strong> Kvanvig offers the most clear presentation of the major views of hell: eternal hell, universalism, annihilation, and doors-shut-from-the-inside (cf. Lewis and Alcorn)</em><em>. A must read.</em></li>
<li>Piper, John. <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/how-does-a-sovereign-god-love">&#8220;How Does a Sovereign God Love? A Reply to Thomas Talbott.&#8221;</a><strong><em> Notes: </em></strong><em>John Piper provides a response (in 1983) to Talbott&#8217;s ideas about universal reconciliation.</em></li>
</ul>
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	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1"><strong><sup>[1]</sup></strong> I watched most of one with Miller from Newsweek, but won&#8217;t be bringing it into this article. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-1">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2"><strong><sup>[2]</sup></strong> This information is drawn from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Bell">Wikipedia article on Rob Bell</a>. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-2">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3"><strong><sup>[3]</sup></strong> I&#8217;m not a regular reader of either of these ministries&#8217; resources and am not readily aware of mainstream criticism of Bell&#8217;s writings, though I have spoken to individuals who were concerned as far back as Bell&#8217;s Velvet Elvis. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-3">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4"><strong><sup>[4]</sup></strong> I assume it is small&#8230;I read the Kindle edition&#8230;and it read very quickly&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-4">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5"><strong><sup>[5]</sup></strong> See chapters mentioned above in Desiring God for a brief overview and then <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/will.html">Jonathan Edward&#8217;s Freedom of the Will</a> for a devastating critique of the general view (Arminianism / free will). <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-5">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6"><strong><sup>[6]</sup></strong> Not that I am able to offer a satisfactory reconciliation of these two. I simply choose to believe in a paradox &#8211; that God is completely sovereign and just and yet radically pursuing everyone with a mighty love of the same nature. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-6">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7"><strong><sup>[7]</sup></strong> I am saddened to see so many condemning Bell for even raising these difficult questions. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-7">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8"><strong><sup>[8]</sup></strong> Is he not truly post-modern since he does offer answers? Should he have provided only questions? <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-8">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9"><strong><sup>[9]</sup></strong> I am not particularly aware of Wright&#8217;s interpretation on these words, so I don&#8217;t suggest that on this matter Wright is on the same page as Bell <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-9">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10"><strong><sup>[10]</sup></strong> Oops, I didn&#8217;t really hit this topic in the summary, but now you know it is there&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-10">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11"><strong><sup>[11]</sup></strong> For an interesting depiction of the Valley of Hinnom as a physical location see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DSigmund%2520Brouwer%2520Hank%2520Hanegraff%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">Hank Hanegraff and Sigmund Brouwer&#8217;s preterist novels</a> that were launched to challenge Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkin&#8217;s dispensational Left Behind novels. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-11">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12"><strong><sup>[12]</sup></strong> This sort of language is very similar to that utilized by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061774197/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0061774197">C.S. Lewis in The Great Divorce</a>, which Bell also recommends in this volume. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-12">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13"><strong><sup>[13]</sup></strong> Though the interactions between Abraham/Lazarus and the rich man and their somewhat unreal nature may indicate that we need to consider what details of the parable we consider to be illustrative and which descriptive. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-13">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14"><strong><sup>[14]</sup></strong> Interestingly enough, I would suggest this is more in word than in deed. I see many evangelicals deeply involved in social good, but they oftentimes object to the use of terms like social justice. I don&#8217;t want us to water down the gospel for &#8220;social justice&#8221; &#8211; but neither do I think we need to be afraid of this terminology. We should demonstrate terminology redeemed for Christ and not run from churches that seek to redeem terminology as was suggested by Glenn Beck. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-14">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15"><strong><sup>[15]</sup></strong> For those interested in learning more about the preterist position on end times Scriptures see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801077257/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0801077257">James S. Russell&#8217;s Parousia</a>, a classic nineteenth century work on the topic recommended by R.C. Sproul and C.H. Spurgeon. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-15">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16"><strong><sup>[16]</sup></strong> See <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Fie%3DUTF8%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dnb_sb_noss%26y%3D0%26field-keywords%3DWilliam%2520Barclay%26url%3Dsearch-alias%253Dstripbooks&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957">William Barclay</a> for further discussion of the nature of kolazo. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-16">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17"><strong><sup>[17]</sup></strong> since it is not His will to love them in a sense that redeems them from hell <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-17">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18"><strong><sup>[18]</sup></strong> In contrast, the Calvinist position holds that God loves some men in a particular manner and is able to accomplish His will and thus those men are saved while Arminianism holds that God&#8217;s power is in a sense limited and while He loves everyone the same, only some will accept His love. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-18">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19"><strong><sup>[19]</sup></strong> that some may resist God&#8217;s will forever <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-19">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20"><strong><sup>[20]</sup></strong> I wonder if Bell is here drawing again on Hanson, who also wrote <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ezURAAAAYAAJ&amp;dq=John%20Wesley%20Hanson&amp;pg=PR3#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">Universalism the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years</a> or perhaps the <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc01">Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge</a>. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-20">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21"><strong><sup>[21]</sup></strong> and I imagine, even the traditional view, though perhaps a bit begrudgingly <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-21">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22"><strong><sup>[22]</sup></strong> In my opinion, using these verses to indicate the need for Christ to be preached verbally is a mistake, not that there isn&#8217;t other evidence for the direct need to know Christ. It seems that the emphasis in this passage is on the importance of spreading the good news, but Paul goes on to explain that the good news has been heard in all corners of the world. <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-22">&#x21A9;</a></li>
	<li class="footnote" id="love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23"><strong><sup>[23]</sup></strong> In my own little way I am very &#8220;proud&#8221; to have a copy of this volume from 1884&#8230;No, you can&#8217;t borrow it!&#8230;but I&#8217;ll let you look at it / hold it if you drop by my place sometime&#8230; <a class="note-return" href="#to-love-wins-rob-bell-review-commentary-and-further-study-n-23">&#x21A9;</a></li></ol>
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		<title>Free (but Great) Bible Commentaries</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When I purchased Logos Bible Software Scholar&#8217;s Edition Silver one of my favorite resources became the series of commentaries written by Dr. <a class="zem_slink" title="Bob Utley" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Utley">Bob Utley</a>. Imagine my surprise when I found out these volumes where available for free in <a class="zem_slink" title="Portable Document Format" rel="homepage" href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference_archive.html">PDF format</a> &#8211; legally and from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I purchased Logos Bible Software Scholar&#8217;s Edition Silver one of my favorite resources became the series of commentaries written by Dr. <a class="zem_slink" title="Bob Utley" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Utley">Bob Utley</a>. Imagine my surprise when I found out these volumes where available for free in <a class="zem_slink" title="Portable Document Format" rel="homepage" href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference_archive.html">PDF format</a> &#8211; legally and from Utley&#8217;s office website!</p>
<p>When you visit the site the temptation is to surf away immediately. Its pretty ugly, which Utley has indicated is to keep bandwidth demands down for third world countries and to ensure the site is viewable on the widest variety of devices (I still think its ugly, and will make him a nicer version&#8230;if he ever wants one&#8230;for free), but this is an instance of where we shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;judge a website by its template&#8221;, errr, &#8220;a book by its cover.&#8221;</p>
<p>Utley studied at <a class="zem_slink" title="East Texas Baptist University" rel="homepage" href="http://www.etbu.edu/default.htm">East Texas Baptist College</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_Baptist_Theological_Seminary">Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Trinity Evangelical Divinity School" rel="homepage" href="http://www.teds.edu">Trinity Evangelical Divinity School</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="Baylor University" rel="homepage" href="http://www.baylor.edu/">Baylor University</a>, and <a class="zem_slink" title="Wycliffe Bible Translators" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wycliffe_Bible_Translators">Wycliffe Bible Translators</a>&#8216; <a class="zem_slink" title="SIL International" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_International">Summer Institute of Linguistics</a>. He has been a professor in <a class="zem_slink" title="Biblical studies" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_studies">biblical studies</a> for many years &#8211; but isn&#8217;t limited to academia for his experience and does not bring an ivory tower perspective to his commentaries. His experience pastoring a number of churches provides him with insight into the grime of life and the challenges of practical application.</p>
<p>His commentaries are a bit technical for the lay reader &#8211; but the lay reader should still be able to &#8220;make sense&#8221; of around 95% of the content. Unfortunately, he includes a fairly extensive introductory section highlighting some of the Greek and <a class="zem_slink" title="Hebrew language" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language">Hebrew</a> concerns &#8211; which is quite overwhelming (and I&#8217;ve taken a year of Greek). I&#8217;d recommend anyone without a strong interest in the original languages to skim / skip this material and wait till later to read through it &#8211; when the interest or need is arisen.</p>
<p>Utley brings an excellent combination of textual analysis with practical application. He provides extensive but not overwhelming commentary on the passages, dealing with them in a thorough manner.</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the finest points of his texts are his inserts, which occur with astonishing frequency and depth. When the text deals with a topic that would &#8220;derail&#8221; the study of the text but deserves consideration (e.g. free will, holiness, etc.) Utley includes an insert which is a detailed discussion of the topic set apart from the actual analysis of the text. Then he refers to this insert throughout the rest of the commentary when necessary &#8211; and one can go back to it to &#8220;refresh&#8221; on a fuller understanding of the topic.</p>
<p>Utley brings an awareness of his theological presuppositions and makes a conscious effort to embrace the text in spite of his convictions, something which I appreciate deeply.</p>
<p>Overall, this is a wonderful set of books &#8211; I highly recommend them &#8211; and the price is right! IMHO, these should rest right alongside Tom Constable&#8217;s Notes (also freely available).</p>
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<p><strong>Classical <a class="zem_slink" title="Dispensationalism" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism">Dispensationalism</a>:</strong></p>
<p>Originated with the Brethren Movement in England, an ecumenical movement which encouraged unity in Christ over against denominational barriers. Leading proponent was <a class="zem_slink" title="John Nelson Darby" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby">John Nelson Darby</a>. Probably the best known participant of this movement was George Muller.</p>
<p>From England the movement spread to the United States. Its most famous proponent was D.L. Moody, its most systematic and publicized expositor, C.I. Scofield.  Additionally, it was supported by <a class="zem_slink" title="Lewis Sperry Chafer" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Sperry_Chafer">Lewis Sperry Chafer</a>, founder of Dallas Theological Seminary. The ecumenical nature was carried over in slightly different form by forming various bible conferences &#8211; beginning with the <a class="zem_slink" title="Niagara Bible Conference" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Bible_Conference">Niagara Bible Conference</a>. In 1909 the first edition of a bible conference in a book would be released &#8211; the Scofield Reference Bible.</p>
<p>Distinctive beliefs of this form of dispensationalism included:</p>
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<li><strong>Dualistic Redemption </strong>- &#8220;In order to understand the Bible, one needed to recognize that God was pursuing <em>two different purposes</em>, one related to <em>heaven </em>and one related to the <em>earth</em>&#8230;To put it another way, one of God&#8217;s purposes in redemption was to release the earth from the curse of corruption and decay, and to restore upon it a humanity free from death and sin. This was the earthly purpose of God&#8230;It is important to understand that in classical dispensationalism this earthly humanity is eternally&#8230;But God has a second purpose, a  heavenly purpose which envisions a heavenly humanity. This heavenly humanity was to be made up of all the redeemed from all dispensations who would be resurrected from the dead. Whereas the earthly humanity concerned people who had not died but who were preserved by God from death, the heavenly humanity was made up of all the saved who had died, whom God would resurrect from the dead.&#8221; (pp. 23-4)</li>
<li><strong>Separate <a class="zem_slink" title="Dispensationalist theology" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalist_theology">Dispensations</a></strong> &#8211; There is a strong emphasis on the separation of dispensations and little emphasis in their interrelationship. For example, &#8220;Classical dispensationalism saw the dispensations as different arrangements under which human beings are tested. God arranged the relationship of humankind to Himself to test their obedience to Him.&#8221; (pg. 24)</li>
<li><strong>Nature of the Church</strong> &#8211; &#8220;The heavenly nature of the church&#8217;s salvation was interpreted&#8230;in an individualistic manner. Political and social issues were <em>earthly</em> matters which did not concern the church.&#8221; (pg. 27)</li>
<li><strong>Church as Parenthesis</strong> &#8211; Wrote Lewis Sperry Chafer, &#8220;A parenthetical portion sustains some direct or indirect relation to that which goes before or that which follows; but the present age-purpose is not thus related and therefore is more properly termed an <em>intercalation</em>&#8230;The present age of the Church is an intercalation in the revealed calender or program of God as that program was foreseen by the prophets of old.&#8221; (pg. 27) In other words, the church is an entirely separate process from the rest of human history &#8211; past and future.</li>
<li><strong>Literal / Spiritual Interpretation</strong> &#8211; While advocating mainly a literal hermeneutic, believed the use of a spiritual hermeneutic (typology) was necessary for the Old Testament. This was used to apply &#8220;spiritually&#8221; the promises of the O.T. to the church today, while maintaining also their literal application to Israel as a nation.</li>
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<p><strong>Revised Dispensationalism:</strong></p>
<p>This is the version of dispensationalism most are familiar with today &#8211; at least it is the version I am most familiar with. Its major proponents include Charles Ryrie, <a class="zem_slink" title="John Walvoord" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walvoord">John Walvoord</a>, and <a class="zem_slink" title="J. Dwight Pentecost" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Dwight_Pentecost">J. Dwight Pentecost</a>.</p>
<p>It differs most significantly from classical in its abandonment of a dualistic redemption. In other words, while not all revised dispensationalists agreed whether the redeemed&#8217;s future was in heaven (Ryrie, Walvoord) or earth (Pentecost), they all agreed that all would spend it together &#8211; there would not be a &#8220;heavenly&#8221; and a &#8220;earthly&#8221; people of God.</p>
<p>Additionally, there is a deemphasizing of the individualistic nature of the church age and an emphasis upon the church community under the leadership of Ray Stedman and Gene Getz.</p>
<p>Revised Dispensationalists were also quick to abandon the &#8220;spiritual&#8221; hermeneutic previously utilized (e.g. typology), instead favoring a straight literal (grammatical-historical) interpretation.</p>
<p>This resulted in an abandonment of the idea that the church was entirely separate from <a class="zem_slink" title="Bible prophecy" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy">Old Testament prophecies</a> and instead saw these prophecies at least partially in O.T. prophecies. This resulted in a dependence upon what Blaising and Bock consider to be a similar &#8220;spiritual&#8221; hermeneutic to that just rejected by revised dispensationalists.</p>
<p><strong>Progressive Dispensationalism:</strong></p>
<p>Its proponents are not laid out in detail, but obviously include Bock and Blaising amongst them. The major change in progressive dispensationalism is whence it takes its name from &#8211; the idea that the dispensations are progressive in nature, that is, &#8220;progressive dispensationalists believe that the church is a vital part of <em>this very same plan of redemption. </em>The appearance of the church does not signal a secondary redemption plan, either to be fulfilled in heaven apart from the new earth or in an elite class of Jews and Gentiles who are forever distinguished from the rest of redeemed humanity. Instead, the church today is a revelation of spiritual blessings which <em>all the redeemed</em> will share in spite of their ethnic and national differences.&#8221; (pg. 47)</p>
<p>This results in similar developments in their ideas regarding the church, &#8220;&#8230;while seeing the church as a new manifestation of grace, believe that this grace is precisely <em>in keeping with</em> the promises of the Old Testament, particularly the promises of the new covenant in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.&#8221; (pg. 49)</p>
<p>While revised dispensationalism was greatly influenced by the abandonment of most forms of the spiritual/typological method and then expansion of the grammatical-historical method, progressive dispensationalism looks to a similar expansion of the literal method for many of its tweaks in interpretation &#8211; namely expanded understanding of these same, e.g. applications of genre and syntax.</p>
<p>When Blaising and Bock attempt to sum up what progressive dispensationalism is they state, &#8220;Its major distinctive is found in its conception of the progressive accomplishment and revelation of a holistic and unified redemption. That redemption covers personal, communal, social, political and national aspects of human life. It is revealed in a succession of dispensations which vary in how they stress the aspects of redemption, but all point to a final culmination in which all aspects are redeemed together.&#8221; (pg. 56)</p>
<p><strong>My Conclusion:</strong></p>
<p>I must admit that there is much in this chapter that was both foreign to me and difficult to understand. There is much I have yet to wrestle with in my understanding of Scripture and various philosophical approaches to aspects of it &#8211; e.g. eschatology. That said, the one thing which becomes clear to me through every study I undertake of the churches&#8217; history is the variety of opinion within the church. I am not suggesting a new ecumenism, but I do think that a realization that our intellectual and spiritual forefathers differed greatly in their theological opinions can provide us with some much needed humility as we wrestle with the Scriptures today, and perhaps help us weigh a little more graciously the opinions of others.</p>
<p>When I read of the idea that God would have two separate redeemed people (heavenly and earthly) throughout all eternity &#8211; I scoff at the idea&#8230;and yet, these are my spiritual forefathers. If giants of the faith can make such poor assumptions, what am I, a poor student of the Scriptures capable of? As <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060608528?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0060608528">Bonhoeffer writes so aptly in Life Together</a>, we read Scripture in part to help us recognize our own inability to comprehend it in its fullness and thus drive us back in reliance upon Christ. Ahh, there is the central and glorious truth of our faith &#8211; the person and the grace of God as expressed through His Son Jesus!</p>
<p><strong>P.S.</strong> I was barely able to scrape the surface of the extensive information Blaising and Bock provide in this first chapter. I&#8217;d recommend it as a worthy read to any aspiring pastor, theologian, writer, etc.</p>
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<p>Wow, this is pretty exciting and gets a big kudos from me to Logos and the SBL. They&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.sblgnt.com/">completed and released for free download a Greek New Testament</a> which offers revisions based upon the latest research and over 500 differences from the Nestle-Aland/UBS text. Kudos to Logos, SBL, and Michael Holmes for this significant accomplishment! May it be used greatly for the glory of God!</p>
<p>In addition, <a href="http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/11/the_new_logoscom_10_features_you_wont_want_to_miss.html">Logos has released a total revamp of their website</a> which includes some significant new features. The link above will take you to their top ten list &#8211; I&#8217;ll just highlight my favorites from that list: (a) faceted browsing, (b) improved searching, (c) recommended collections, and (d) new sorting options.</p>
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<p>If you love studying the Scriptures &#8211; you&#8217;ll want to get your hands on a copy of Logos <a class="zem_slink" title="Bible" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible">Bible</a> Software. Logos is probably the largest manufacturer of bible software &#8211; and while there are competitors out there none can compare with both the sheer quantity of material available and the quality of the Logos 4.0 underlying <a class="zem_slink" title="Software engine" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engine">software engine</a>.</p>
<p>I buckled down and put myself on a payment plan and purchased the Logos Bible Software Scholar&#8217;s Edition Silver and I haven&#8217;t looked back since. This software is amazing and a huge blessing in my Scriptures studies and teaching!</p>
<p><strong>Software Engine Highlights:</strong></p>
<p>Logos is built on an impressively robust software engine that runs on both Windows and <a class="zem_slink" title="Macintosh" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh">Mac computers</a>. There are also user interfaces for the <a class="zem_slink" title="iPhone" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com/iphone">Apple iPhone</a> and the web. Here are a few of the features I love:</p>
<ul>
<li>Mouse over any word in any resource and see a dictionary definition of the word.</li>
<li>Extensive cross-referencing with a variety of resources &#8211; beyond the usual linking to commentaries, concordances, and bible dictionaries &#8211; for example, the inclusion of related images (of high quality and relevance), links to audio and transcripts of sermons on the same topic, and powerpoint layouts for specific sections of Scripture.</li>
<li>The automatic passage and word study guides that appear when you search for a specific passage of Scripture and garner together the innumerable resources you need to pursue your studies.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Content Highlights:</strong></p>
<p>The underlying engine would be magnificent in its own right, but it is really the content that I am most interested in and that will attract others. You can buy Logos at many different levels and each level includes differing content. I would suggest getting at least the Scholar&#8217;s Silver Edition. You can go on a payment plan and the resources included are simply amazing. Here are a few of my favorites:</p>
<ul>
<li>New American Commentary &#8211; This commentary series is written from an evangelical perspective and is exhaustive in its approach. It offers a tremendous amount of background and content analysis before one even dives into the commentary and the commentary focuses on providing insight not only at the verse level but also at the thought level. The cost to purchase this commentary set alone in print nearly covers the cost of Scholar&#8217;s Silver Edition.</li>
<li>The Bible Knowledge Commentary &#8211; A smaller, two-volume commentary on the entire bible written by the faculty at <a class="zem_slink" title="Dallas Theological Seminary" rel="homepage" href="http://www.dts.edu">Dallas Theological Seminary</a> it is a bit dated at this juncture and will upset some for its heavy dispensational focus &#8211; but provides excellent insights from a conservative, evangelical, dispensational perspective in a concise format.</li>
<li>The Bible Exposition Commentary &#8211; Warren Wiersbe&#8217;s &#8216;BE&#8217; commentaries covering the entire <a class="zem_slink" title="New Testament" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament">New Testament</a>. These commentaries are more lay/devotional in nature but still include a good bit of technical thought and are useful in sermon preparation or other teaching/devotional arenas.</li>
<li>Holman New Testament Commentary &#8211; A series on the entire New Testament. This series is written more for pastors/teachers than academics &#8211; but does a good job of providing applicable insight into various passages.</li>
<li>There are numerous volumes of a practical nature also included &#8211; these books focus on effective ministry and are extremely useful for anyone working in ministry.</li>
<li>Just about any bible version you can imagine is included such as the NASB, NET, ESV, NLT, KJV, HCSB, and The Message.</li>
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<p><strong>What&#8217;s Missing:</strong></p>
<p>There are a few enhancements I&#8217;d like to see Logos make. I&#8217;ve outlined them below:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Audio Pronunciations:</strong> I&#8217;m self-taught in reading, and this is great except for when one needs to pronounce complex or unfamiliar words. I have sometimes been embarrassed when I accidentally butcher a word I&#8217;ve only seen on the printed page and never heard anyone speak aloud. It would be great to simply click on a word and hear a correct enunciation of English, Hebrew, and Greek words.</li>
<li><strong>Latin to <a class="zem_slink" title="English language" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language">English Translation</a>:</strong> There are oftentimes phrases in Latin in the commentaries and various resources. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t read Latin. It&#8217;d be nice to have a built-in translation facility to convert these phrases into English.</li>
<li><strong>Processing Offloading:</strong> The Logos software has always been known for being a bit heavy &#8211; liable to slowdowns and freezes &#8211; due to the heavy processing it is doing behind the scenes. Its certainly worth it for the intelligence the software has in providing the correct resources on-the-fly, but my <a class="zem_slink" title="Centrino" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino">Intel Centrino Duo</a> laptop with 4 GB of RAM and a 256 MB video card still grinds to a halt. I&#8217;d like to see Logos work on offloading some of this processing to centralized servers, rather than doing all the work on my machine &#8211; and thus hopefully speeding things up a bit. They should still have the ability to do it on my local machine, in case I&#8217;m not connected to the internet or have a slow connection &#8211; and should do a quick analysis to determine which method will be faster &#8211; but this could make Logos an amazingly fluid application.</li>
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<p><strong>A Philosophical Difference:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit of an open source fan. I grew up in a fairly poor family &#8211; there was not a lot of extra money floating around. My computers were always several years behind the times and oftentimes were given to me by generous individuals in the church or at great sacrifice in saving by my parents, or later, through significant endeavors on my own to earn and save money. I had no money for software and learned to scavenge for free alternatives for many years &#8211; out of necessity not b/c I didn&#8217;t want to spend anything on software.</p>
<p>Logos dominates the market and rightfully so&#8230;but I would like to see them move to a more open source philosophy. No, no, I&#8217;m not suggesting they abandon their model entirely. I&#8217;d like to suggest a nice hybridization which would be beneficial to those less economically fortunate individuals looking to study the Scriptures as well as to Logos.</p>
<p>Specifically, I&#8217;m suggesting that Logos continue to raise purchases of <a class="zem_slink" title="Public domain" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain">public domain resources</a> as they do now &#8211; that is the way they gather together individuals who are willing to pay for the software to cover costs before they begin producing the software &#8211; but then once they have recouped the costs they move the public domain resources to be free.</p>
<p>Yes, yes, I understand that they bring significant added value to these free resources via all the interlinking, cross-referencing, and other features they integrate, but&#8230;that&#8217;s what the prepub would exist to accomplish.</p>
<p>How would this benefit Logos? Individuals such as myself used free applications like e-Sword for years. Many of the individuals using free alternatives know nothing of the power and content of Logos. Imagine getting your shoe in the door. Many a poor college student who currently uses a free application would switch to Logos &#8211; and when they secured their first position, purchase upgrades. Many individuals who now can only afford the base might one day secure a different economic position that allows them to purchase more content.</p>
<p>This would be a significant commitment on Logos part. They offer a significant number of public domain products at fairly high prices and these products make up a significant portion of their base products &#8211; but still, I think they could maintain their economic income while expanding their user base.</p>
<p>Further, I would suggest it is necessary to open the process of developing resources for Logos. They could use a verification process like Apple does for the <a class="zem_slink" title="App Store" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store">iPhone app store</a> to keep people from creating illegal materials &#8211; but there needs to be an ability for third parties to create resources &#8211; at least free resources &#8211; there could still be a licensing fee / royalty structure associated with premium resources.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion:</strong></p>
<p>Logos Bible Software is simply amazing and well worth the monetary investment. I hope that Logos will move towards offering a free base edition which includes public domain resources. I believe this would allow Logos to consolidate its market leader position and would significantly assist the spread of the gospel throughout the world.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nltse.jpg"></a> Image via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nltse.jpg">Wikipedia</a> <p>I have long been a fan of first <a class="zem_slink" title="The Living Bible" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Living_Bible">The Living Bible</a> and then the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0842355707?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=americacivilw-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957&#38;creativeASIN=0842355707">New Living Translation (NLT)</a>. The Living Bible (LB) was a paraphrase of Scripture, the NLT was a new <a class="zem_slink" title="Translation" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation">translation</a> from the original languages that [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have long been a fan of first <a class="zem_slink" title="The Living Bible" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Living_Bible">The Living Bible</a> and then the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0842355707?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=americacivilw-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0842355707">New Living Translation (NLT)</a>. The Living Bible (LB) was a paraphrase of Scripture, the NLT was a new <a class="zem_slink" title="Translation" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation">translation</a> from the original languages that attempted to provide the readability of the LB while not sacrificing the accuracy of more word-for-word literal translations like the <a class="zem_slink" title="New American Standard Bible" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_American_Standard_Bible">NASB</a> or <a class="zem_slink" title="New International Version" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version">NIV</a>. While I loved the LB &#8211; the NLT was a huge step upwards.</p>
<p>More recently I discovered a series of commentaries that used the NLT as their underlying text. I was confused by this. While I love the NLT &#8211; I don&#8217;t <a class="zem_slink" title="Study Bible" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_Bible">study</a> off of it. This is because the NLT focuses on a more thought-for-thought approach than word-for-word &#8211; which is great for readability but not so great for word studies and so on. Further <a class="zem_slink" title="Research" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research">research</a> led me to the discovery that the NLT had undergone a second and major revision &#8211; which unfortunately is not highly publicized. I flipped to the front of my NLT and saw instantly it was <a class="zem_slink" title="Copyright" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright">copyright</a> in 1996 &#8211; thus being a first edition. The second edition came out in 2004. The NLTse offered significant improvements over the NLTfe &#8211; particularly in its attempts to reduce thought-for-thought while maintaining clarity and accuracy &#8211; increasing the ability for one to perform word studies, etc. off the NLT text.</p>
<p>So tonight I ordered a NLT Study Bible. Traditionally, I&#8217;ve used the LB and NLT Life Application Bibles (LAB)&#8230;but I wanted something more concerned with historical, literary, cultural, geographical, theological, etc. info. rather than application. In general, if one understands the meaning of the passage I find it fairly simple (usually) to apply it to my life. The LAB didn&#8217;t always provide this background information but did provide applications. The NLT Study Bible I ordered uses the Second Edition text &#8211; though this might more properly be called 2.1 &#8211; since there was another small revision implemented in more recent years that continues to refine the NLT in a few areas.</p>
<p>All this to say &#8211; I&#8217;d highly recommend getting your hands on a New Living Translation (NLT) bible. I am a big fan of the <a class="zem_slink" title="Dynamic and formal equivalence" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_and_formal_equivalence">dynamic equivalence</a> method utilized and the translators who worked on this text are top notch. The continued revisions are quite impressive. Kudos to Tyndale for continued excellent work in making Scripture understandable in our present context. I&#8217;ll provide more details once I receive the new book and have an opportunity to work with it a little more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Major Biblical Studies Publishers.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 04:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hendrickson Publishers New International Biblical Commentary, Daily Bible Commentary, The Pulpit Commentary, Black&#8217;s New Testament Commentary. IVP Books John Stott Bible Studies, Tyndale Commentary O.T./N.T. Series, Crossway Bible Guides, Apollos Old Testament Commentary, Pillar New Testament Commentaries, IVP New Testament Commentaries. David C. Cook. BE Series, Bible Exposition Commentary, Bible Knowledge Commentary, Wiersbe&#8217;s Expository Outlines. [...]]]></description>
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<li>New International Biblical Commentary, Daily Bible Commentary, The Pulpit Commentary, Black&#8217;s New Testament Commentary.</li>
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<li>IVP Books
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<li>John Stott Bible Studies, Tyndale Commentary O.T./N.T. Series, Crossway Bible Guides, Apollos Old Testament Commentary, Pillar New Testament Commentaries, IVP New Testament Commentaries.</li>
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<li>David C. Cook.
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<li>BE Series, Bible Exposition Commentary, Bible Knowledge Commentary, Wiersbe&#8217;s Expository Outlines.</li>
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<li>Crossway</li>
<li>Baker Books.
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<li>Baker Exegetical Commentary on the N.T., Brazos Theological Commentary on the Bible, Paideia: Commentaries on the N.T., Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture, Walk Thru the Bible Discussion Guides.</li>
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<li>Zondervan.</li>
<li>Kregel</li>
<li>Thomas Nelson</li>
<li>Moody Publishers</li>
<li>Westminster John Knox Press</li>
<li>Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.</li>
<li>Tyndale House
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<li>Cornerstone Biblical Commentary Series</li>
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<li>B&amp;H Publishing Group</li>
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